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Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

I know this isnt on for 2 months but we can always resurrect the thread nearer the time.

Always a pleasure to watch this contest I find. I was basically wondering what you golf fans thought about Europes chances. I would have thought theyd be firm favourites but the odds are really quite close which came as a suprise to me. A couple of books go down to 4/6 for Europe and many are 8/11 but on Betfair you can get matched at 10/11 after commission. This strikes me as possible great value.

Here are the last 10 Ryder Cup results


1985 The Belfry, Sutton ColdfieldEurope 16½11½ United States
1987 Muirfield Village GC, Dublin, OhioEurope 1513 United States
1989 The Belfry, Sutton ColdfieldEurope 1414 United States
1991 Kiawah Island Golf Resort, Johns Island, South CarolinaUnited States 14½13½ Europe
1993 The Belfry, Sutton ColdfieldUnited States 1513 Europe
1995 Oak Hill CC, Rochester, New YorkEurope 14½13½ United States
1997 Valderrama GC, SotograndeEurope 14½13½ United States
1999 The Country Club, Chestnut Hill, MassachusettsUnited States 14½13½ Europe
2002 The Belfry, Sutton ColdfieldEurope 15½12½ United States
2004 Oakland Hills Country Club, Bloomfield Hills, MichiganEurope 18½ United States



As this shows, Europe have won 4 from the last 5 encounters including absolutely spanking the US in 2004 and a fairly comfortable win in 2002. Its being played in Ireland for the first time this year, I dont really hold any sway in the home turf being an advantage but it 100% cant be a disadvantage anyway. Woosnam is in captain of Europe and Tom Lehmann the US captain.

I cant help feeling a lumpy bet on Europe and cheering your guts out on them is called for.

Heres the official site with all the qualification points etc for the players - http://www.rydercup.com/2006/index.html
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

With another major inbetween now and then rankings could change but these would be the 2 teams of players if it was based on current points rankings.

Europe

David Howell
Colin Montgomerie
Jose Maria Olazabal
Henrik Stenson
Luke Donald
Paul Casey
Sergio Garcia
Padraig Harrington
Paul Mcginley
Paul Broadhurst

US

Tiger Woods
Phil Mickelson
Jim Furyk
Chad Campbell
David Toms
Chris DiMarco
JJ Henry
Zach Johnson
Brett Wetterich
John Rollins

Plus 2 wildcards for each team. Who would they be I wonder? Perhaps Davis Love and Fred Couples for US? Jimenez and Clark for Europe?
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

My all time favouite event in Sport , MrM...by miles.

Nothing beats this for tension and the sheer beauty of well vented bigotry (the nice kind, of course).

This year it really looks like Europe will run out winners again.
To retain the Cup @ 10/11 on betfair? Massive value. Lumpo! Lumpo!

The big negative for USA is not just the inexperienced players , but more importantly their Capt : Tom Lehman. He is a huge handicap.

I've watched this guy as a player for many years , and although he can say he was a Major Man (1996 British Open) , he has only won another 4 PGA tournaments in a career spanning over 400 attempts.
He has worked his somewhat unorthodox swing to great effect, and managed victories on the Nationwide Tour (4) , International Tour (2) , and won a number of other team events.
During all of this he never struck me as a "leader". Too emotionally immature when it comes to an event as big as the Ryder Cup and one that requires an exceptional control of your 'head over your heart'.

Of course Europe has had their fair share of Capts who liked an outburst , but in the main they were made at choice moments , and overall the piece the Euro Capts were always seen as being able to be more detached from events, but rarely the players.

Lehman has a huge amount of pressure on his shoulders , and with such an inexperienced side to 'rouse up' , who can help him?
Woods?...he's notorious for being a loner type. Lefty?..struggle to see him breaking out in a passionate speech. Furyk?...ur having a laugh.

Bear in mind as well that Lehman will play himself if he sees the need. That's a really bad move for USA , but greeat for Europe. His form is ok, but it's tactically naive to try to be 'team + boss'.....rarely comes off. This option is an insight into the mind of Lehman and one of the biggest reasons to oppose USA.

More than likely the young guns will pump themsleves up ( no laughing at the back!). That's a possible boost in some ways , if the younger ones bond early and get 'psyched'.

Playing in Ireland will benefit Europe. I see a decent Yank contingent making it over , as they see Ireland as a 2nd home in some ways due to the history of their country. Bigger crowds than in England, anyway.
The atmosphere will be tremendous and for those who have never felt it , it will be a real shock : either kill them or cure them.

Wild card picks will be interesting, as Lehman has to go for experienced men , so as to balance the Team.
Woosnam will more likely take form over experience. Whether Darren Clarke will want to play is debateable , but I don't see him taking part. Better to match the younger element in the USA squad with current form players regardless of experience, in my opinion.

Monty will again be a huge factor in the outcome, and it's been good to see his form over the last month. His problem has always been between his ears , and not his game. The Ryder Cup brings the best out in him. The true player is seen on the greens and fairways during this tournament.

There are still places to play for and come the day of the Cup we will see a slightly different make up to both teams , but the core 5/6 players will be as they are today, and based on that I'd say EUROPE look nailed on for another victory.

Roll on Sept!!!!
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

Nice post Eddy. Just one point to make for clarification

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To retain the Cup @ 10/11 on betfair? Massive value. Lumpo! Lumpo!
Its not to retain the cup as you can bet on the tie. So it has to be an outright victory 14.5 - 13.5 or better obviously. Doesnt make a huge difference but worth baring in mind since if its retained through a tie the bet would lose.
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

thought that was a huge price!...no worries. Cheers.
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

Tbh it doesnt make too much difference, theres only been 2 draws in the something like 35 Ryder cups theres been. It takes no more than 6/7% edge of value off of it.

In odds terms this makes the 10/11 we have here on Europe to win the same value as a bet of 4/5 on Europe to retain it. So judge the bet on that basis.
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

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United States Ryder Cup team:

TIGER WOODS
PHIL MICKELSON
JIM FURYK
CHAD CAMPBELL
DAVID TOMS
CHRIS DiMARCO
VAUGHN TAYLOR
JJ HENRY
ZACH JOHNSON
BRETT WETTERICH
STEWART CINK
SCOTT VERPLANK
Final team picked there for the U S of A. Cink and Verplank picked as the wildcards so no Davis Love or Couples this time round. I have to admit I dont really have a scooby who a few near the bottom list are. All that changed from the list I posted a month ago was that some dude called Vaughn Taylor got in, instead of some dude called John Rollins

Europe team aint decided yet as theres 2 more tournies to play I believe in which to accumulate points. As it stands now the only current change from the list further up the page is that Karlsson will be in, in place of Broadhurst.

Word is Darren Clarke will be picked as a wildcard despite his personal troubles...

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Always a pleasure to watch this contest I find. I was basically wondering what you golf fans thought about Europes chances. I would have thought theyd be firm favourites but the odds are really quite close which came as a suprise to me. A couple of books go down to 4/6 for Europe and many are 8/11 but on Betfair you can get matched at 10/11 after commission. This strikes me as possible great value.
Price has gone on betfair now after the major finished yesterday for some reason. Its now down at about 1.85 afta commission (id already had some at a smidgen better than 10/11 thankfully). The best price for Europe is now still almost as good, 1.90 over at Expekt. Considering the next best price is 1.80 one to get on sooner rather than later if you want it imo. Not a bad one to use this offer - http://www.thedailypunt.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=13346 - for either
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

I`m surprised that he has omitted Love and Couples , loads of experience from the pair of them.
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

Europe team must be decided soon cos its last qualifying tournament on right now. I dont reckon theyll be any changes but you never know. Wonder who will be the other wildcard with Darren Clarke.

Btw betfair price is back up a few notches to 1.93 after commission
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

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European Ryder Cup Team:

LUKE DONALD
SERGIO GARCIA
HENRIK STENSON
DAVID HOWELL
JOSE MARIA OLAZABAL
COLIN MONTGOMERIE
ROBERT KARLSSON
PAUL CASEY
PADRAIG HARRINGTON
PAUL MCGINLEY
DARREN CLARKE*
LEE WESTWOOD*

VS

United States Ryder Cup team:

TIGER WOODS
PHIL MICKELSON
JIM FURYK
CHAD CAMPBELL
DAVID TOMS
CHRIS DiMARCO
VAUGHN TAYLOR
JJ HENRY
ZACH JOHNSON
BRETT WETTERICH
STEWART CINK *
SCOTT VERPLANK *

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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

Just thought id *BUMP* this baby back to the top. Also to reiterate again on Europe price, now as good as ever again - Europe are a tad under Evens at Betfair, Mansion and Expekt, a great bet imo as anyone who has already read the thread will know

Theres quite a few markets out for outright betting (Top point scorers, Top debutant, Top wildcard etc) on this already so if anyones got any fancies fire em up in here,.
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

Henrik Stenson looks good value to be top rookie. 3.15 on Betfair but 9-2 generally available.

He has a world ranking of 17, far higher than others in the newcomer field. Seems the sort to go well in Ryder Cup and may well be paired with Monty. That's what he's angling for but Woosie may go Monty/Harrington.


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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

Apologies Stenson odds. 3.5 VCbet best available Monday morning.

With RCup player performance it's as much anticipating captain's thinking as it is about player form/aptitude. 4 Yank rookies, likely only to get 1 outing each Fri/Sat.

Stenson & Karlsson Euro rookies should get out twice before the Sunday singles.

But I'll leave the better thinking to regular golf pundits....
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

Top Euro Scorer

Westwood @ 12/1
Clarke @ 12/1

e/w 1/4 odds 1,2,3

these 2 standout just now if only because I can't see Woosie not pairing them. He won't be so crazy as to try to 'fix what ain't broke'...these 2 are a good match .

I can see Monty/Karlsson as a pairing as well , but it's just guess work really , but I'd like to get the chance to watch this duo vs any of the USA squad.

Clarke played well enough at the weekend , while Westwood has shown the form in previous weeks.
Both of them are massive competitors who will be 110% focused on winning , if only for the 'obvious' emotional reasons , but more importantly because they love being Team players.

Will they play 5 games?...one of them probably will , which gives you maximum opportunity for points...making the e/w @ 12/1 a very attractive bet.
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Re: Golf : Ryder Cup - September 22-24

Very much looking forward to it myself. A few comments.

Not hard to see why Europe are favourites. They've won the last 2 and the USA team are no longer feared. Other factors are home soil and what will be big partizan crowds and the Yanks with more rookies. However, I still feel the outcome looks far from clear cut and with the exception of the last Ryder Cup, the outcome has generally been a very close contest.

World rankings are less significant in a match play event, which is a completely different game from stroke play. Tiger Woods is the prime example. He was poor last week at Wentworth against Micheel, who wasn't anywhere near the US team and his record in the Ryder Cup can only be described as abysmal by his standards.

The fact that it's 2 v 2 players in the Thursday and Friday morning foursomes (play alternate shots with the same ball) and afternoon fourballs is a recipe for unpredictable results.

Europe look sure to go with the proven partnership of Monty and Harrington leading the way. Garcia and Westwood were also a very strong pairing last time and Woosie might not fancy breaking them up. I wouldn't like to guess the other pairings. After all he's been through Darren Clark, especially in Ireland, will be feeling waves of emotion and whether he can find his A game is in the balance.

Let's just hope Tiger continues to keep his best golf for the Tour events. If he finds his A game, Europe could be in trouble as that would give the US team a lot of inspiration. Too often Tiger's indifferent form has adversely affected the US momentum and in matchplay momentum is everything.

In the last 4 Ryder Cups Monty and Garcia (2 each) have been top European points scorer and the form of these two will be crucial to hopes of a European success this time.
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