Betting Forum - Betting Tips http://thedailypunt.com/forum Online betting forum with free betting tips, forums for English, Scottish and world football betting, horse racing tips and free bets. en-us Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:40:57 GMT vBulletin 30 http://thedailypunt.com/forum/skin_images/misc/rss.jpg Betting Forum - Betting Tips http://thedailypunt.com/forum Other Sport Live Scores (and rare stuff) http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-betting-talk/117109-other-sport-live-scores-rare-stuff.html Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:25:21 GMT I'm adding things to the test1 links in the black navbar above the forum. I aint gonna go daft. i just want to put in sites that people may need a couple of times a day. Livescore is ideal for that. we have our own livescoire so i wont be adding any football ones to it as there is no need. I will however be looking for other sport livescore. One for each forum would be ideal.

Tennis
Live Score service (powered by LiveScore.com)

Ice hockey
Live Score service (powered by LiveScore.com)

If you have any better ones than them then mention and of course any sport at all. ]]> General Betting Talk kompressaur http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-betting-talk/117109-other-sport-live-scores-rare-stuff.html Head to Head Stats http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-betting-talk/117108-head-head-stats.html Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:45:36 GMT Does anyone have any good... Does anyone have any good sites that offer the best head to head stats on the net?

thanks ]]> General Betting Talk kompressaur http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-betting-talk/117108-head-head-stats.html Midweek bets http://thedailypunt.com/forum/british-football-betting/117107-midweek-bets.html Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:38:11 GMT mixed batch tonight -... mixed batch tonight - Manley/Hamilton/Crawley/Cambridge

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Carlisle
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Each-way 1/4 1-2-3-4-5
Martin Kaymer 10.00 Bet
Miguel Angel Jimenez 11.00 Bet
Angel Cabrera 13.00 Bet
Charl Schwartzel 21.00 Bet
Anthony Wall 23.00 Bet
Raphael Jacquelin 23.00 Bet
Bradley Dredge 26.00 Bet
Gonzalo F-Castano 26.00 Bet
Richard Sterne 34.00 Bet
Jose Manuel Lara 36.00 Bet
Ricardo Gonzalez 36.00 Bet
Thongchai Jaidee 41.00 Bet
Paul Lawrie 41.00 Bet
Marc Warren 41.00 Bet
David Lynn 46.00 Bet
Rafa Echenique 46.00 Bet
Paul Broadhurst 51.00 Bet
Magnus Carlsson 51.00 Bet
Jose Maria Olazabal 56.00 Bet
Stephen Gallacher 56.00 Bet
Robert Dinwiddie 56.00 Bet
Steve Webster 61.00 Bet
Jean-Francois Lucquin 61.00 Bet
Jamie Donaldson 61.00 Bet
Pablo Larrazabal 67.00 Bet
Damien Mcgrane 67.00 Bet
Jose-Filipe Lima 67.00 Bet
Jarmo Sandelin 71.00 Bet
Marcus Fraser 71.00 Bet
Marcel Siem 76.00 Bet
Ignacio Garrido 81.00 Bet
Andrew McLardy 81.00 Bet
Alvaro Velasco 91.00 Bet
Alfredo Garcia-Heredia 91.00 Bet
Miles Tunnicliff 91.00 Bet
Fredrik Andersson 91.00 Bet
Robert Rock 91.00 Bet
Alvaro Quiros 101.00 Bet
Pelle Edberg 101.00 Bet
Phillip Archer 101.00 Bet
Paul Waring 101.00 Bet
Carlos Rodiles 111.00 Bet
Peter O'Malley 111.00 Bet
Rafael Cabrera Bello 111.00 Bet
Simon Wakefield 111.00 Bet
Sam Walker 111.00 Bet
Peter Baker 126.00 Bet
Alessandro Tadini 126.00 Bet
Andrew Tampion 126.00 Bet
Emanuele Canonica 126.00 Bet
Sam Little 126.00 Bet
Benn Barham 126.00 Bet
Thomas Aiken 126.00 Bet
Patrik Sjöland 141.00 Bet
Gary Murphy 141.00 Bet
Jean Van De Velde 141.00 Bet
David Drysdale 141.00 Bet
Garry Houston 141.00 Bet
Marco Ruiz 151.00 Bet
Joel Sjoholm 151.00 Bet
Julien Clement 151.00 Bet
Lee Slattery 151.00 Bet
Peter Fowler 151.00 Bet
Ariel Canete 176.00 Bet
Juan Abbate 176.00 Bet
Jean-Baptiste Gonnet 176.00 Bet
Jan-Are Larsen 176.00 Bet
Mattias Eliasson 176.00 Bet
Pablo Martin 176.00 Bet
Edoardo Molinari 176.00 Bet
Gareth Paddison 176.00 Bet
Francois Delamontagne 176.00 Bet
Henrik Nystrom 176.00 Bet
Santiago Luna 176.00 Bet
Ivo Giner 176.00 Bet
Carlos Del Moral 201.00 Bet
Eduardo De La Riva 201.00 Bet
Terry Pilkadaris 201.00 Bet
Peter Whiteford 201.00 Bet
Julio Zapata 226.00 Bet
Kyron Sullivan 226.00 Bet
Jesus Maria Arruti 226.00 Bet
Miguel Rodriguez 226.00 Bet
Miguel Angel Martin 226.00 Bet
Shiv Kapur 226.00 Bet
Steven Jeppesen 226.00 Bet
Fabrizio Zanotti 226.00 Bet
Martin Wiegele 226.00 Bet
Gabriel Canizares 251.00 Bet
James Kamte 251.00 Bet
Carl Suneson 251.00 Bet
Steve Alker 251.00 Bet
Manuel Quiros 251.00 Bet
Sven Strüver 251.00 Bet
Matthew Millar 251.00 Bet
Francis Valera 251.00 Bet
Vicente Blazquez 251.00 Bet
Iain Pyman 276.00 Bet
David Griffiths 301.00 Bet
Pedro Linhart 301.00 Bet
Simon Robinson 301.00 Bet
Sion Bebb 301.00 Bet
Benoit Teilleria 301.00 Bet
Craig Lee 301.00 Bet
Luis Claverie 301.00 Bet
Juan Parron 301.00 Bet
Tom Whitehouse 301.00 Bet
Joakim Backstrom 301.00 Bet
Lee S James 351.00 Bet
Andre Bossert 401.00 Bet
Alvaro Salto 401.00 Bet
Hernan Rey 401.00 Bet
Stuart Manley 401.00 Bet
Carlos Balmaseda 401.00 Bet
Leif Westerberg 501.00 Bet
Paolo Terreni 501.00 Bet
Federico Cabrera 501.00 Bet
Jaime Gabarda 501.00 Bet
Moises Cobos 501.00 Bet ]]> Golf Betting FC Basher http://thedailypunt.com/forum/golf-betting/117104-madrid-masters.html Constellation Energy Classic (Seniors) http://thedailypunt.com/forum/golf-betting/117103-constellation-energy-classic-seniors.html Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:49:35 GMT Constellation Energy... Constellation Energy Classic Book Closes 09 Oct 12:30
Each-way 1/4 1-2-3-4-5
Eduardo Romero 8.00 Bet
Fred Funk 9.00 Bet
Bernhard Langer 12.00 Bet
Jay Haas 15.00 Bet
Loren Roberts 15.00 Bet
Tom Kite 15.00 Bet
John Cook 19.00 Bet
Mark McNulty 21.00 Bet
Jeff Sluman 26.00 Bet
Nick Price 26.00 Bet
Scott Hoch 29.00 Bet
Scott Simpson 29.00 Bet
Mark Wiebe 29.00 Bet
R.W. Eaks 34.00 Bet
Ronnie Black 41.00 Bet
Gil Morgan 41.00 Bet
Brad Bryant 41.00 Bet
Tom Jenkins 51.00 Bet
Gene Jones 51.00 Bet
Joey Sindelar 51.00 Bet
D.A. Weibring 51.00 Bet
Larry Mize 51.00 Bet
Andy Bean 61.00 Bet
Bruce Vaughan 61.00 Bet
Craig Stadler 61.00 Bet
Lonnie Nielsen 67.00 Bet
Mark O'Meara 67.00 Bet
Bruce Fleisher 67.00 Bet
Gary Koch 81.00 Bet
Fuzzy Zoeller 81.00 Bet
Jim Thorpe 81.00 Bet
John Morse 81.00 Bet
David Eger 91.00 Bet
Dana Quigley 101.00 Bet
Denis Watson 101.00 Bet
Keith Fergus 101.00 Bet
Bob Gilder 101.00 Bet
Tom Purtzer 101.00 Bet
Gary Hallberg 101.00 Bet
Joe Ozaki 101.00 Bet
Don Pooley 101.00 Bet
Phil Blackmar 101.00 Bet
David Edwards 101.00 Bet
Mike Goodes 126.00 Bet
Morris Hatalsky 126.00 Bet
Hale Irwin 126.00 Bet
Mark James 126.00 Bet
Des Smyth 126.00 Bet
Tim Simpson 126.00 Bet
Chip Beck 126.00 Bet
Ben Crenshaw 151.00 Bet
Tom McKnight 151.00 Bet
Fulton Allem 151.00 Bet
Kirk Hanefeld 176.00 Bet
Rod Spittle 176.00 Bet
Allen Doyle 201.00 Bet
Bobby Wadkins 201.00 Bet
Sandy Lyle 201.00 Bet
Ron Streck 251.00 Bet
Danny Edwards 251.00 Bet
Vicente Fernandez 251.00 Bet
John Harris 251.00 Bet
Boonchu Ruangkit 251.00 Bet
Massy Kuramoto 251.00 Bet
Wayne Levi 251.00 Bet
Gary McCord 251.00 Bet
Mike Reid 251.00 Bet
Curtis Strange 251.00 Bet
James Mason 251.00 Bet
Mike Hulbert 276.00 Bet
Bruce Lietzke 276.00 Bet
Donnie Hammond 301.00 Bet
Wayne Grady 301.00 Bet
Larry Nelson 301.00 Bet
Walter Hall 401.00 Bet
Dave Eichelberger 1001.00 Bet
Mike McCullough 1001.00 Bet
Leonard Thompson 1001.00 Bet
Others On Request ]]> Golf Betting FC Basher http://thedailypunt.com/forum/golf-betting/117103-constellation-energy-classic-seniors.html Valero Texas Open http://thedailypunt.com/forum/golf-betting/117102-valero-texas-open.html Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:48:14 GMT Valero Texas Open Year... Valero Texas Open
Year Winner Score Runner up Score
2002 Loren Roberts 261 Fred Couples 264
2002 Fred Funk 264
2002 Garrett Willis 264
2003 Tommy Armour III 254 Loren Roberts 261
2003 Bob Tway 261
2004 Bart Bryant 261 Patrick Sheehan 264
2005 Robert Gamez 262 Olin Browne 265
2006 Eric Axley 265 Anthony Kim 268
2006 Dean Wilson 268
2006 Justin Rose 268
2007 Justin Leonard 261 Jesper Parnevik 261
Each-way 1/4 1-2-3-4-5
Justin Leonard 9.00 Bet
Chad Campbell 23.00 Bet
David Toms 26.00 Bet
Stephen Ames 26.00 Bet
Rory Sabbatini 26.00 Bet
Brian Gay 29.00 Bet
Dean Wilson 29.00 Bet
Scott Verplank 34.00 Bet
Sean O'Hair 36.00 Bet
Ben Crane 36.00 Bet
Mathew Goggin 36.00 Bet
Charles Howell 41.00 Bet
Heath Slocum 41.00 Bet
Pat Perez 41.00 Bet
Davis Love 41.00 Bet
J.J. Henry 41.00 Bet
Zach Johnson 46.00 Bet
Steve Marino 46.00 Bet
Nick O'Hern 46.00 Bet
John Senden 46.00 Bet
Kevin Streelman 51.00 Bet
Bo Van Pelt 51.00 Bet
Charley Hoffman 56.00 Bet
Joe Ogilvie 56.00 Bet
Steve Elkington 67.00 Bet
Vaughn Taylor 67.00 Bet
Mark Wilson 67.00 Bet
Tim Herron 71.00 Bet
Brian Davis 71.00 Bet
Dustin Johnson 76.00 Bet
Jeff Overton 76.00 Bet
Charlie Wi 76.00 Bet
Steve Allan 81.00 Bet
Tommy Armour 81.00 Bet
Jason Gore 81.00 Bet
Jesper Parnevik 81.00 Bet
Jerry Kelly 81.00 Bet
Troy Matteson 81.00 Bet
Rod Pampling 81.00 Bet
Robert Garrigus 81.00 Bet
Eric Axley 91.00 Bet
Tom Pernice 91.00 Bet
Bob Estes 101.00 Bet
Patrick Sheehan 101.00 Bet
Jason Day 101.00 Bet
Paul Goydos 101.00 Bet
Nathan Green 101.00 Bet
Nick Watney 101.00 Bet
Nicholas Thompson 111.00 Bet
Harrison Frazar 111.00 Bet
Peter Lonard 111.00 Bet
Rich Beem 111.00 Bet
Chez Reavie 111.00 Bet
Parker McLachlin 111.00 Bet
Ryan Palmer 111.00 Bet
Tim Petrovic 126.00 Bet
Shane Bertsch 126.00 Bet
Richard S. Johnson 126.00 Bet
Marc Turnesa 126.00 Bet
Bob Tway 126.00 Bet
Alejandro Canizares 126.00 Bet
Matt Kuchar 141.00 Bet
Brandt Jobe 141.00 Bet
Jason Dufner 151.00 Bet
Mathias Grönberg 151.00 Bet
Chris DiMarco 151.00 Bet
Greg Kraft 151.00 Bet
Kent Jones 151.00 Bet
Frank Lickliter 151.00 Bet
Kevin Stadler 151.00 Bet
Jay Williamson 151.00 Bet
Martin Laird 151.00 Bet
Tag Ridings 151.00 Bet
J.P. Hayes 176.00 Bet
Kyle Thompson 176.00 Bet
Brad Adamonis 176.00 Bet
Marco Dawson 176.00 Bet
Andrew Buckle 176.00 Bet
Brad Elder 176.00 Bet
Scott Sterling 176.00 Bet
Carlos Franco 176.00 Bet
Robert Gamez 176.00 Bet
Mark Hensby 176.00 Bet
Tim Wilkinson 176.00 Bet
Jeff Maggert 201.00 Bet
Joe Durant 201.00 Bet
Jon Mills 201.00 Bet
Jeff Gove 201.00 Bet
Cameron Beckman 201.00 Bet
Bob Heintz 201.00 Bet
Gavin Coles 201.00 Bet
Richard Johnson 201.00 Bet
Ryan Armour 201.00 Bet
Y.E Yang 201.00 Bet
Brenden Pappas 226.00 Bet
Brett Rumford 226.00 Bet
Billy Andrade 226.00 Bet
Nick Flanagan 251.00 Bet
John Riegger 251.00 Bet
Kenneth Ferrie 251.00 Bet
Olin Browne 251.00 Bet
Ted Purdy 251.00 Bet
Matt Jones 251.00 Bet
Craig Kanada 251.00 Bet
Omar Uresti 251.00 Bet
Jimmy Walker 251.00 Bet
Doug LaBelle 251.00 Bet
Chris Stroud 251.00 Bet
Todd Demsey 251.00 Bet
James Driscoll 301.00 Bet
Tom Scherrer 301.00 Bet
Bob Sowards 301.00 Bet
Michael Thompson 351.00 Bet
Ron Whittaker 351.00 Bet
David Duval 351.00 Bet
Chad Collins 351.00 Bet
Jin Park 351.00 Bet
Jason Allred 401.00 Bet
David Lutterus 401.00 Bet
Michael Bradley 401.00 Bet
Kevin Chappell 401.00 Bet
Paul Claxton 401.00 Bet
Tommy Gainey 501.00 Bet
Cody Freeman 501.00 Bet
Jim McGovern 501.00 Bet ]]> Golf Betting FC Basher http://thedailypunt.com/forum/golf-betting/117102-valero-texas-open.html Custom Menu1 http://thedailypunt.com/forum/comments-announcements/117101-custom-menu1.html Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:48:43 GMT Im having probs adding things... Im having probs adding things to it directly (see livescore not under tennis) anyhow im gnna have to do it all in one go so if there are any handy quick links that you want me to add in there then tell me now ]]> kompressaur http://thedailypunt.com/forum/comments-announcements/117101-custom-menu1.html To Win The League (revisted) http://thedailypunt.com/forum/british-football-betting/117100-win-league-revisted.html Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:55:38 GMT Nw the season is underway i'm sure that we all have some thoughts on how things are gonna pan out at the end of the season. Lets have a look and see if there's any value anywhere.

Scottish Division One
St Johnstone 3/1 Extrabet
Queen of South 10/3 Extrabet
Dundee 5/1 Sportingbet
Livingston 6/1 skybet
Dunfermline 7/1 Betfred

Scottish div one looks tighter than its been for years. With st Johnstone and dundee due players back you'd have to expect them to be there abouts. Livi and QOS might not have enough to go on and win the league but they'll still be about till christmas at least. Dunfermline will get better also. truth be told i am finding it hard to pick a winner and i never even had a pre season bet on this league. St J at 3/1 with Extrabet with Jody Morris to come back? Dundee to start getting some consistancy when their injuries clear up. Theyve done ok so far even without the players. Are Dunfermline relying on Kirk's goals too much? they could go on a wee run the now. sod it i think St johnstone's price will only get shorter and i think they could be worth a bet. they have a strong forward line and with a full team they should be strong in all departments. im envisaging that them and dundee will start to pull away about christmas. 3/1 sounds ok. Actually maybe dundee sounds ok too :look

Scottish Division Two
Raith 3/1 Totesport
Ayr 4/1 Betfred
Brechin 4/1 Befred
East Fife 5/1 VC Bet
Peterhead 7/1 Stan James

The scottish 2nd division is gonna end up a 4-way fight and im predicting Raith and Brechin will fnish first and 2nd. at the odds i dont think i will be backing any team. Ive Ayr and Brechin at 9/1 for the league and thats enough interest in it for me. No bet recommended

Scottish Division Three
Stenhousemuir 15/8 Betfred
Dumbarton 10/3 Extrabet
Montrose 4/1 Sportingbet
Cowdenbeath 9/2 Bet365
Forfar Athletic 18/1 Extrabet

In the scottish 3rd i think Stenhousemuir and Montrose are priced up too short. I took Cowdenbeath at 4/1 but im starting to think that they aint the finished article. dumbarton's form of late and signings suggest to me that they are gonna be the team to beat. stenhousemuir i suppose are due players back but i still dont see them having the consistancy. again i couldnt suggest anything. sorry :\

Coca Cola Championship
Birmingham 5/2 Bet365
Reading 11/4 Bet365
Wolves 5/1 Skybet
Sheff Utd 14/1 Canbet
QPR 20/1 Ladbrokes

Reading are looking strong to me. anyone put me off backing them? I don't think Mcleish has what it takes as a manager and i can see Birmingham hitting a sticky patch. Are reading just gonna get better as the season goes on? Are wolves gonna fade as usual? Will QPR pick up a bit, spend more in the new year and finish on a run?

Coca Cola League 1
Leicester 15/8 Bet365
Leeds 11/4 Betfred
Oldham 12/1 Sportingbet
Scunthorpe 14/1 Scunthorpe
Southend 18/1 bluesq

Not a league i follow but Leicester are looking pretty consistant to me. shall i grab that price now sooner than later?

Coca Cola League 2
Shrewsbury 11/4 Bluesq
Wycombe 11/2 Sportingbet
Bradford 13/2 Bluesq
Brentford 10/1 Bet365
Bury 11/1 Paddy Power

Wycombe never seem to last the pace. shrewsbury are looking strong? Their new signings playing well? Bradford look a big price. Have they slowed up a bit? I would love to see Brentford winning this league. theyre a cc1 team imo and i dont see this league as being beyond them. ]]> British Football Betting kompressaur http://thedailypunt.com/forum/british-football-betting/117100-win-league-revisted.html 2yo bets for Tuesday http://thedailypunt.com/forum/horse-racing-tips/117099-2yo-bets-tuesday.html Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:38:30 GMT M Jarvis and A Perrett are... M Jarvis and A Perrett are both adept at readying their juveniles to win on their 2nd start and both have such a runner today and are well worth backing.

2.20 Folkestone - BLUE TANGO (A Perrett) was unfancied at 33/1 on his debut at Newbury but that was a much better race than this and big improvement can be expected. Currently 6.0 at BF.

5.10 Leicester - MOOTEEAH (M Jarvis) was noted as being a bit backward on her debut and R Hills presumably had the choice of 3 in this race and the tip should be taken. Info from the stable is that they expect her to win today. Currently 4.0 at BF.

2.10 Leicester - WAHEEBA (J Dunlop) is worth an ew poke after impressing on looks on her debut, despite finishing down the field. Only small bet as stall 1 might be a terrible draw (might be ok though!) and up against a few from big stables. Currently 20.0 at BF which seems a spot of value. ]]> Horse Racing Tips Seen http://thedailypunt.com/forum/horse-racing-tips/117099-2yo-bets-tuesday.html <![CDATA[The 'Sumit Button']]> http://thedailypunt.com/forum/comments-announcements/117093-sumit-button.html Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:26:51 GMT We haven't used it to it's full capabilities mainly due to me trying to run before we can walk. Just to mention it's existance and your more than welcome to have a play about with things and submit things if you want. the main thing i was trying to push to folks was that if you fancy starting a new thread on something then feel free to use this button instead and chose what forum to post in. your thread will still turn up as usual but it will also be used on the frontpage and it allows us a lot more optrions to do things with your posts etc. anyhow im confusing things. I'll go see what options are open to you. Im doing this via the frontpage. You wont see this content type but when i post from here it automatically updates in the news bit on the side of forum and i chose Comments and Announcement forum to post ths thread your reading. ]]> kompressaur http://thedailypunt.com/forum/comments-announcements/117093-sumit-button.html Free Online Muliplayer Games http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-chat/117090-free-online-muliplayer-games.html Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:23:39 GMT I will move this to Games... I will move this to Games forum before the night is out. Its been a while since i looked at these. Lets have a look and see what there is. the one i always remember is

Sauerbraten / Cube 2

I'll go see what the online gaming world is into these days. we had some fun with 2nd life. A good golf game or something wouldnt go amiss ]]> General Chat kompressaur http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-chat/117090-free-online-muliplayer-games.html <![CDATA[Christian tolerance.You can't beat it.]]> http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-chat/117089-christian-tolerance-you-cant-beat.html Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:19:20 GMT BBC NEWS | England | London |... BBC NEWS | England | London | Tattoo gay people, priest writes

Tattoo gay people, priest writes


A Church of England clergyman has been ordered to remove comments about gay people from his blog, remarks described by his diocese as "highly offensive".
The Rev Peter Mullen, who ministers in the City of London, said he had gay friends and the words were "satirical".
He suggested in his internet blog that homosexuals should have their backsides tattooed with the slogan: "Sodomy can seriously damage your health".
The gay rights group Outrage described the comments as "Neanderthal".
A Diocese of London spokeswoman said the remarks did not reflect its views.
Mr Mullen said: "I certainly have nothing against homosexuals. Many of my dear friends have been and are of that persuasion.
It's the kind of remark you might expect from a drunk on a Saturday night, not someone in a supposedly responsible position


David Allison, Outrage

"What I have got against them is the militant preaching of homosexuality ]]> General Chat ONEDUNME http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-chat/117089-christian-tolerance-you-cant-beat.html How close are we to economic meltdown http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-chat/117088-how-close-we-economic-meltdown.html Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:57:58 GMT Every day I think we have... Every day I think we have reached the bottom of the pit. Or to paraphrase old Winston's - maybe not the end, maybe not even the begining of the end
but at least the end of the beginning.

I've never been convinced that the US bailout would be the panacea but I did hope that it might at least dry up all the endless diarrhoea and act of some kind of line in the sand so that the world (or most of it) might start to journey on the long and fragile pathway to recovery.

Not to be, it seems. Every day the situation gets worse. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. IF we ever reach the stage when everyone is in agreement that the worst is over, we can expect the reverberations to shudder down the food chain to us suckers in (what the US politicians call ) "Main Street" and we can expect a kicking for the next two years or so.


This is the latest assessment from the BBC's Richard Peston -who seems to have had a pretty good handle on what's happened so far along the way.

BBC NEWS | The Reporters | Robert Peston


How close to capitulation?
  • Robert Peston
  • 6 Oct 08, 03:47 PM
Blimey it must be serious.
Every European Union leader has signed up to the following statement:
"All the leaders of the European Union make clear that each of them will take whatever measures are necessary to maintain the stability of the financial system - whether through liquidity support through central banks, action to deal with individual banks or enhanced depositor protection schemes.
"While no depositors in our countries' banks have lost any money, we will continue to take the necessary measures to protect both the system and individual depositors. In taking these measures, European leaders acknowledge the need for close coordination and cooperation."
So the mayhem of uncoordinated statements and actions over the past few days by the governments of Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Ireland and Greece was simply an accident.
They're all back on the same hymn-sheet today.
Investors seem underwhelmed: the FTSE 100 index is tumbling and shares are currently almost 8% lower.
If sustained this would make it the third worst fall in the history of the FTSE 100 index.
Does this mean we're close to that fabled moment in stock markets - the point of capitulation - when investors lose all hope and dump their stock at any price?
According to the theory, there can be no sustained recovery until the markets are in the clutches of utter despair.
Not everyone subscribes to the pseudo-economic psycho-babble.
But it certainly looks hairy out there.
Update 17:35
Today was when no one could be under any illusion that the global banking crisis is primarily a North American phenomenon.
There's a mess in Europe too, because European banks were also seduced over the preceding few years into lending too much to cheaply to consumers and businesses.
In the past 24 hours, we've seen bank rescues in Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany, and an attempted rescue of an entire economy, that of Iceland.
We've also had the worrying spectacle of apparent disunity among the governments of Europe, with Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Spain all taking unilateral steps to reassure their savers - which risked destabilising banks in other countries.
And when EU government heads then issued an emergency joint statement promising to collaborate more closely, curiously that served to spook investors even more - presumably because it underlined the fragility of the banking system.
What's also prompted high anxiety among investors and bankers is the mounting evidence that the crisis in financial markets is causing a severe economic slowdown.
And when there's a collision of a financial and economic downturn, well the consequence can be painful - because rising unemployment leads to more loans going bad which further weakens our banks.
So the Chancellor's plan to strengthen our banks by injecting taxpayers money in the form of new capital is also an economic recovery plan ]]> General Chat ONEDUNME http://thedailypunt.com/forum/general-chat/117088-how-close-we-economic-meltdown.html