Becoming a real tipster.

[ONEDUNME]

Originally Posted by EdgeSeek

Unless you have a very very very good buddy who is on the sports analyst team of the big bookmakers...
Cheers.

Or a forum full of punters who specialise in different areas and know their stuff

[Grga]

Originally Posted by ONEDUNME

Or a forum full of punters who specialise in different areas and know their stuff

TDP's daily picks on you e-mail for only 0.00.You have seen their record on the forum.We don't promise miracles,but we are not cunts who just want to take your money.

But you must admit that ONEDUNME's idea is very good.

[prinze]

Beautifully put across Edgeseek. Agree with you on most of the points, it takes patience to come out with a yield at the end of the period. Sad to say for most of us punters, discipline is instilled only after we get 'burnt' after which we blossom to become the enlightened one.

I keep GoonersGuide.com free because I enjoy the banter - and I probably gain twice as many "nuggets" of advice from others as I dish out.

'Gooner' would like to say u have a fantastic site going on out there

[traeth]

Originally Posted by ONEDUNME

Or a forum full of punters who specialise in different areas and know their stuff

so true ODM - so many experts in different areas

Last season was my first with regard to regular posting about Welsh footie , I had some success mainly due to local knowledge and the delay in bookies getting this info. Although I was inexperienced in this field I had some success and had a good runs at different stages in the season , I was invited by at least 5 closed forums to join them and post there [I suppose due to very few posters on this league ].These invites gave me a false sense of my ability , but was soon brought down to earth after a poor run and I was "un-invited" from one forum . I realised that it was not like my home here at TDP . Last season I made a lot of mistakes and hope to learn from them.Recent threads in the last few weeks have also contained some really useful pointers. This thread is another one that has raised interesting points.
I did consider setting up a site myself .When AMP came out with his site I realised that doing something of this sort requires hard work and time.

This season I will continue my posting but I intend to keep a more detailed record [ in tipster proofing perhaps ? ]

[crowie]

I think the reason a lot of tipsters do set up paid for services is that while they are pretty good at what they do they will still have down periods, they cannot guarantee winning all the time. And when they hit those periods they do have at least one source of guaranteed income to fall back on....the subscribers money.

Gooner makes some great points though. If someone was to go into offering a paid for service then they would have to withdraw their tips from the forum plus they would really have to be selections from their own thinking and research.

Stick with the forums Chris, again as Gooner says, for every good piece of information you put in, your virtually certain to get 2/3/4 times as many back from the rest of the community.

[bromsgrovegreen]

since i discovered TDP last autumn i have been totally addicted to it and its the best betting websiite by a country mile imo,not only that, its free and i have made a decent profit this year thanks to TDP,so whats the point of paying for tips that arent any better than the ones on this forum and in some cases have even been stolen from the guys on here

[CJ Mars]

Interesting thread.

I’d echo most of the very good points made here about paying for tips when excellent information is freely available on the internet. A further reason that I would not use paid tipsters is that while there are good ones out there as soon as a tipster who is a “face” with a proven record recommends Team A at evens and his clients pile on you can be certain the price will be 5/6 or 4/5 within long and if you are getting on at that price you have well and truly missed the value boat.

[meerdorf]

I never enjoyed charging mate, albeit only a tenner a month! I had an AMAZING run, and not one email of thanks etc (Bar one!) I love tipping and have done well, but I have just given up charging. Its not worth the hassle, and if your tips are good you won't need the extra money from subscribers anyway! You are earning money from YOUR OWN TIPS, why not share them with the community on here? It doesn't eat into your own profits and no one loses (EXCEPT HOPEFULLY THE BOOKIE!)

If you want to add tips, simply email me and I can put them on the website (for free!) and you can become a resident tipster for all thedailypuntusers? That way they could see their favourite tipster and see their tips... no explainations needed?

HEY MODS!!! Can we have a section just for tips, no reasoning?!!! What an idea, thank me later lol!

[A.M.P]

errrr, I think it's called "Tipster's Proofing" Merdorf, though I'm frequently weong.

[TheGooner]

Originally Posted by A.M.P

Fair enough Gooner. You make some salient points.

I take it affliates provide you a revenue stream then?

Is this a risk free and socially more acceptable way of doing it I wonder?

Sorry AMP, I forgot I contributed to this thread and wasn't monitoring it.


Yes, you can be sure that when you see a graphic on my site or join a bookie or casino or poker room - then we're getting a beer for it.

Bookies tend to be a signup fee - while the poker section pays a share of the "rake" which I find acceptable because it's not player losses - merely a portion of the "tax" that they put on each pot.

Amazingly within 1 year the poker side is doing better than the bookie fees. All power to texas hold-em eh ?


I try to run the site as non-profit - getting back to a zero balance and the end of each season - and we tend to distribute the funds three ways.
- 1/3rd goes to site hosting costs
- 1/3rd goes to writers to put the effort into main site game previews
- 1/3rd goes to competition prizes (like the weekly tipping we did here).

The writer payments work out at about a Euro a preview at the end of it all (a pretty lousy payback - but it is beer money).


Overall is it acceptable to readers? I hope so - because we're charging the bookie/poker room not the punter.

It's certainly more fun - and from personal experience I can tell you that my personal betting is now a lot more profitable than it was in the days of pre-internet forums.

[A.M.P]

Thanks for the info there TG and you're to be appluaded the way you give back to contributors!

I often wondered about the poker side myself as the rake seems small but I guess it really must add up.

Best of luck for 06/07.

AMP

[Frodo]

Good thread folks. I think one problem that's perhaps not been touched on with setting yourself up as a 'real tipster' and not posting on forums like this are that you can lose out on people either challenging your opinion or posting information that perhaps you hadn't considered. If I was placing a bet based on duff informtation I'd at least like the chance of someone putting me off.

[cold dog]

In my experience, people who go down the 'paid-for' path end up changing their strategy subtly. No longer are those Royals on the road gut-shot specials on the cards. I think there are some undefinable characteristics that make a good punter and when they're under the microscope, these tend to disappear.

[sean99]

Rather than selling tips, why not sell your selection systems ???

I dont believe that a single system works for NH, Flat & AW.

I am about to set up a Betting systems review website and intend recommending and selling those products that are easy to follow and profitable.

I have a laying system that I will start to post selections for in a couple of weeks (I am currently out of the country) and would like to provide a website link and invite people to read my review and purchase the product if they like it.

Is that OK on this forum ??

Also I would like to hear peoples comments about systems they have created or bought that they felt were good value for money and were profitable.

I will be road testing any product selected for 30 days and will post recommendations and results on a blog and this website.

Any comments appreciated.

Regards

[Dave Jay]

This is a really interesting read .. the question I always ask myself when I see someone trying to sell tips, tipster style is why ? There doesn't seem to be any logical point in doing it, if your tips are good enough and make a profit in the long term then you should be able to make a fortune out of it .. I know a couple of pro-gamblers who sold tips for a while because they were barred from most bookies and in one case his bottle had gone, but they didn't last long.

Seen99 I don't think the systems idea is a good one. I started off with systems myself, years ago and they simply don't work. There are no systems that produce a profit over a long time (I'm talking about racing here) that don't involve huge losing runs. People would be better served looking into handicapping methods, race evaluation or creating horses to follow lists.

Becoming an expert in a certain field is perhaps the best advise any gambler could give another IMO!