Is this to tight??

[cains]

After a REALLY BAD RUN.. More than 20STT with out a top3 finish...
I finally got both a 2nd and 1st place yesterday...
Now im looking through my hand history to see, if i can figure out what i have done different from last 3weeks...
This is one of my hands, that im in doubt about.. Reason for the fold is, any cards higher than 7 could give him better pair. He could have a bigger pair than me already.. With so many cards above 7, i deceided i most likely would fold on flop, almost no matter what hit the board. (of course except 7)
Also he has aprox the same stack as me, so he could get me in trouble if i make a wrong dissicion...

What i just noticed now, is i got position on the flop if i called him...

Might get more hands in here later on when i through it all... 137pages in word.. :loon
PokerStars Game #4841843357: Tournament #24241162, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/05/05 - 17:04:53 (ET)

Table '24241162 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button

Seat 1: fregaVPonez (1660 in chips)

Seat 2: onepercent (1910 in chips)

Seat 3: Johan23 (3385 in chips)

Seat 5: cains (3885 in chips)

Seat 9: Henrik123456 (2660 in chips)

fregaVPonez: posts small blind 100

onepercent: posts big blind 200

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to cains [7c 7h]

Johan23: raises 400 to 600

cains: folds

Henrik123456: folds

fregaVPonez: folds

onepercent: folds

Johan23 collected 500 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 500 | Rake 0

Seat 1: fregaVPonez (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 2: onepercent (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 3: Johan23 collected (500)

Seat 5: cains folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 9: Henrik123456 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[raisin man]

After his raise you have to either lay them down or be very aggressive, maybe coming over the top with another 600 to make him define his hand incase he is stealing.

If he calls then you can see the flop and decide what to do. If the cards are all low then push at it, in fact push at it anyway and see if he plays back. I realise that he has almost as many chips as you but he too will not want to be put out of the tourney now.

Its reached the part of the STT where everyone clams up to try to conserve chips and stealing by the larger stacks can be very profitable. Thats maybe what he was doing.

Anyway, I probably would have come over the top, try to make him fold, at least he'll define his hand. Fold if he re-re-raises. Maybe see a flop and take it from there.

Just my 2 cents.

[cains]

Agree with you on some of it raisin.. Thats why im in doubt.
But if i just call, that will cost me 600. (well still got 3200 left so no problem)
If i raise him im down to 2600, and getting close to the all in frenzy... Where not much play is availeble except all in moves...

He could be trying a steal... But i dont think so.. He was first to act.. So still has the blinds to act after me, + another player, so the small raise dont smell like steal.. I more think it look like its a AA,KK,AK hand... he want people to call him, or make a move on him...

If i just call, there is still 3 after me, and any of them could move all in, with 2 players under 2000, having great value moving all in....

So again.. If i fold, like i did, i would keep almost twice as many chips than at least 2 other players.. And i would have enough to keep playing poker, and i still believe in my self, that i can beat 10$ in the long run.. So deceided that was my best move..

Hope it makes sense.. Have been to the pub since last post..

[DAVEYBAZZ]

mate im with you on this , you are in good posistion chip wise so you dont really need a battle with this guy and as you say you have got 3 people to act after you , , hope you went on to win it

[cains]

Originally Posted by daydle

hope you went on to win it

I did win.. :drums

[Jezza]

Hi mate,

Yeah I can see your dilema here. He could well have AK AQ something like that but of course he could also have the dreaded higher pair. I think in this situation it depends on the player. All three options are valid here, folding, flat calling and reraising. Reraising is good because you have decent folding equity here, the fact he is UTG tho does suggest he might have a better hand than you. It is certainly more dangerous to reraise him from this position than if he had button raised (in which case I would certainly reraise). Flat calling is an option, to 1) see if high cards hit on the flop that might pair his AK/Q and thus reduce your variance long term and 2) Try and spike a set that beats his overpair. I think for this (definately for 2 anyway) you need to be playing deeper stacks. If you are just going to throw away if you dont spike a set you cannot do this with these chip stacks and blinds and if he is aggressive enough to make CBs when he has missed anyway you are going to be very unsure of where you stand should no real overcards flop.

Folding preflop is not bad tho. I do think it boils down to the player a little. If he had been playing tight for most of the game then well you are probably beaten and folding is definately the correct play. If he had been pretty loose and aggro all game then prob playing back at him is probably the right move. I think without much info the fact that he raised a normalish amount UTG it seems to me a fold can not be too bad at all

Jez

[cains]

ty mate....

He did make a small raise a bit earlier, to wich i went all in.. I had 44 i think.. Was MUCH lower in chips at that time as well.. And he folded to that...

But like you say.. He is UTG... with 5 players.. He should have a decent hand..

[Doc]

I think folding is best here.

There are no other limpers in the pot to sweeten it. Everyone else has still to act. He almost certainly has one, and probably 2 cards higher than you - meaning that if you're ahead, it isn't by a huge amount.

If you look to re-raise, then you're probably putting your whole stack on the line.

Even if you just call, he'll be first to act on the flop and will probably make at least a continuation bet. Unless you hit a 7, you're almost certain to be facing overcards and you're not going to like calling any bet, even what is probably a continuation bet.

So basically you're looking at:

1) Fold - costs you nothing
2) Call, will probably double you up if you make trips on the flop, and lose you the call amount otherwise - your stack is about 8 times what it costs to call, so fairly neutral at best. There are also the times where he'll make a better hand to your trips, or where you'll be taken out of the pot by one of the other players. Taking that into account, it is slightly negative expectation I'd say
3) Raise - some percentage of the time you're going to be raised all-in, which you won't like. Sometimes you'll take it down (900 chips). I don't think the times you take it down will pay for the others.

Overall therefore I'd recommend a fold here. In particular the size of the raise is somewhat troubling. It isn't big enough to scare away plenty of other hands - indicating he may want action. In the absence of any other information I'd have a significant concern that I might be facing something like Kings or Aces here. If it were me, I'd certainly make a bigger bet with hands like AK or AQ, as I want to just take the blinds down