No probs Crowie, although I guess with your info I probably wouldnt have gone with this bet I did go for what I thought were nice odds..... Well its now a long shot but you still never know...
Scotland will win, I cannot for the life of me think why you lot up in Crazy land have any doubts. You are on the crest of a wave at the moment. In the 3 games you have left, only Italy is a possible 1X in my opinion. You will also beat Georgia away by at least 2 goals.
Wales, yes Wales will have an easy win in Cyprus and Iceland will beat Latvia, who have only scored 1 in last 6 games at evens.
Lighten up Crazies, Glasgow is a mint of a city!!!!!!!!!!
Only been there once,first time this year, can't wait to return.
but thats what happens Edin. I aint that old but in the past 37 years ive experienced enough of these situations to see that oyu can throw the form book out the window and you couldnt back Scotland with any confidence. what about that Dutch game at hampden a few years ago. we were looking good before it and the same things where being said. i think they thumped us 5 or 6 1 at Hampden (it was hampden asnt it?) I just think that the bookies like the press are underestimating the power of Scootland shooting themselves in the foot. We can go to france and get a win and the next game draw 1-1 with the Faroe Islands. Not only do i think a lay ioof Scotland is a good bet (as i aint even considering form) but it's made an even better bet for me in that the only way i can lose is if Scotland get the victory that could well take them to the European Championship finals. I'll happily lose half a week wages if that was the case so to me i cannot lose here. i could just sit back and enjoy the game but when Ukraine pull out a performance that no one is expecting and Scotland look very ordinary in defeat i want something back to cheer me up a bit. no offence taken Edin and it's strong supporters like yourself that make me proud to be Scottish. I'm just not wanting to be left with nothing.
And what relevance does past performances have to do with Saturdays game?
Scotland are on a flyer and good luck to them and should win tomorrow. As a fan your playing head games with yourself komp because of the past.
Armenia made few surprises in their last two matches, winning against Poland and drawing with Portugal, both of these matches were played at their home Republican stadium. Still I rate this team very low and they won those matches mostly because their opponents underestimated them. Armenia has only the pride to play for and they will play without pressure and that is big plus for them. At home Armenia showed like hard nut to crack in these qualifications and with defending for whole match, they will, for sure, make troubles to the Serbian team.
Serbia is currently on 4th position but they have played one match less than first placed teams Finalnd and Poland and one point less than big favorite Portugal, which means that this match is crucial to them. Their coach said that he will start carefully with only one striker upfront, Zigic or Lazovic, with Stankovic behind that striker. They will try to score a goal with that formation and if they fail to do so, in the second half we will se another attacker in the line-up.
Manucharyan injured, Arzumanyan doubtful for Armenia, both are important team players, and Serbia will be without Vidic their best defender.
I believe that it won’t be easy match for Serbia at all, they had already some slip-ups so far against weaker teams and the pressure will be on their side. I think that Serbia has plenty of talented players who can decide the match with individual effort. The motivation should be their biggest advantage and I am on them today.
Croatia is playing one of the best football’s in these qualifications, if not the best. They are well organized in the defense, they have great midfield with good destructors and many creative players and their attack is pretty good. Now playing in Zagreb, where they have not felt the feel of defeat for more than 15 years in one qualification match, both for European or World championships and with win here they can qualify for Euro 2008.
Israel had good qualifications too, made few surprises, but they are nothing special, in my opinion. Forth place in this group is the maximum that they can get. They got draws with Russia away and England at home, but then those teams weren’t playing at their best.
Croatia has Niko Kovac, Petric and Balaban injured, but I think that they will not miss much, or maybe only Niko Kovac. For the other two, Petric is a started, but he can be easily replaced by Eduardo, Olic or even Rakitic, so these absences are not a big blow to the team. Israel will have troubles, especially in the defense, goalkeeper Awat and defenders Benado and Ziv will not play, so as Colautti, Saban, Katan, Badir and Tal.
I think that Croatia is much stronger than their opponent, even if Israel is playing with full squad. Croatia managed to beat them in Israel with 3:4 and now in front of sold out stadium with fanatic fans who are expecting their team to win to secure the place in European championship, against team who needs to attack in order to keep its chances for qualification, home win is very likely outcome.
Pick: Home Win --> Odds: 1.40 @ Several Bookies --> Stake: 7u
I think it is fine to back on Urugay Win , but the handicap is the only interesting alternative to bet on Bolivia +1.5 (asian hdp )
Uruguay started bad in Copa America
Even in the start of the tournament they played very awfull , uruguay will managed to win over BOLIVIA , again but with +1.5 hdp i will think it and think it over again to bet on Uruguay . small chance for uruguay to beat bolivia more than single goal margin after uruguay best playe Alvaro Recoba retired from the national side after Copa America.
Uruguay
Fabián Carini (G)
Jorge Ciro Fucile (D)
Diego Godín (D)
Diego Scotti (D)
Pablo Sebastián García (M)
Victor Maximiliano Pereira (M)
Diego Pérez (M)
Cristian Gabriel Rodríguez (M)
Sebastián Abreu (F)
Carlos Heber Bueno (F)
Diego Martín Forlán (F)
Bolivia
(G) Sergio Galarza 12
(D) Lorgio Alvarez 4
(D) Miguel Ángel Hoyos 14
(D) Ronald Raldes 16
(M) Ronald García 6
(M) Sacha Silvestre Lima 20
(M) Gualberto Mojica 8
(M) Joselito Vaca 10
(F) Diego Aroldo Cabrera 11
(F) Jaime Moreno 9
(F) Nelson Sossa
france 0-1 scotland, and recently : celtic 2-1 milan! lyon 0-3 rangers!
are those results enough for you? or maybe you think ukraine is more quality of the world champions and finalists italians and french???
hehe, i can not imagine that any wise punter will choose ukranians to win, i understand soccer is soccer, everything is probable, but here my logic doesnt allow me to place even a single penny on away win
Home win or draw
c u
No team wins forever specially Scotland been winning, too much easy money for punters? Scotland 99% wun win. I am 100% confident.
french squad trip had troubled with weather , they can't landing at torshavn as plan in friday. so they rest at bergen,norway. may be the match postpone. but if not , take the +3 ah seems good . cause the french may be tire from travelling.
Hung For A Sheep As A Lamb - by now renounced Scot Komp Smith
I won't talk too much as i wouldnt like to offend anyone espcially those that think i am betting using voodoo. I don't know if the past influences the future Conan but i am gonna take advantage of the bookmakers (imo) under evaluating Scotland's shoot themselves in the foot mentality at times like these. As mentioned ive already layed the bet off in the fact that a Scottish win would be worth any price for me and i can't lose. Scottish people don't want to know me. I am scourned. to think of all the fights i got into with the English for you all since i was 10 and now you all caste me out.
Swing Low Sweet Chariot...
You may all rejoice when (snigger) Scotland win. You will all tell me to get it up me. I don't know if i can't lose or if i can't win here.
rhys i aint too sure its more than a coupkle of folks thinking along the line of myself. I wouldnt like...no i would like to influence you in your bets as i really wholeheartedly think that Scotland will not win this. Seen it before and im cashing in on it.
and seeing as i am now revered(?) in Scotland i think i will rub salt on the wounds and try some....nah i'll use my legendary instincts here, i can smell bets from 20 paces...
Ukraine need to go for the win so...Ukraine to score 1st @ 6/4 2pts and Up To And Including 29th Minute for time of first goal @ 21/20 ...right that should shut the scots up. bloody reality will be biting then eh? ok so what happens next? Scotland could get on e before ht but thats 50/50 for me so i'll leave it. Actually im gonna take the Over 2.5 goals @ 7/5 with 2pts in a game thats expected to be Under. I can see this bet just crawling over the line and the 7/5 will do me for that as i fly in the face of the bookies.
Actually i need to consider this more. Dont mind me folks. this is a betting thread and im just talking about my betting for the day. If we were all the same then what a boring place we would be.
One thing i can say though that Scotland's pain and dissapoinment over the years is nothing on what the Welsh have had to endure rhys. Youve had it intolerably since the day dot.
I can't even talk about team news can i ask i've refused to listen to anything on this one bar pure 'notion'. I was looing at under in the corners there but ive got a feeling that Uraine will come down the wings at scotland and Scootland will get a leg to it and corners could happen (see im making all this up as i go along) I can't see it being a game of red and yellow cards although the Ukrainians could get stroppy if their Euro 2008 bid is over. A Ukraine win coupled with another 3 points home to the faroes would put them on ....errr..i dunno but they need to be set up to have something to play for when they are home to france in the last game. theyve got Lithuania away in the other so you could maybe expect them to pick up full points leading up to it. Then again France look to have an easy run and at best Ukraine could hope for then is on goal differance and France have an 11 goal lead on them in that. Bah i dunno. Im not betting anything. No i have to. Ok good luck chaps. Nope i aint backing Ukraine and im just praying for the Sotland win. Nah i cant do that. I can't back against them. I can't gain pleasure. Stuff it i am as it's people's own stupid faults for thinking that we should be favourites to beat the ukraine in a game like this. Go on Scotland prove me wrong.
Nope it does not. Im even on the Ukraine Win i think. Blasphemous Bob here Oh look lets go for Andriy Shevchenko to score anytime as he'll get 2. Isn't that the dude that plays for Chelsea and everyonesays he's shit and he cant do it anymore? It's written in the stars that he does it today and thinking of it if it is him i hate the wee shite for that goal for Chelsea v spurs in last seasons cup something. Aye he's gonna inflict utmost pain and we're gonna hate his ugly stupid grin on our back pages and suddenly he's in favour at Chelsea who are another waste of space team who seem to think their too big for a manager like that grant even though theyve been fcuk all for years and always will be.
I'll look for a Ukraine -1 bet when i return from the toilet.
Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney have played precisely three minutes together for England since the start of 2006 but the pair look sure to be reunited against Estonia in Saturday's Euro 2008 qualifiers.
Owen's swift return from injury is a massive boost for the Three Lions because he was the guiding force behind their vital 3-0 wins over Israel and Russia last month.
Plenty of other players - not least strike partner Emile Heskey - also played key roles but Owen added the spark up front which made both games surprisingly comfortable for Steve McClaren's side.
Clearly there's a different dynamic to Owen/Rooney compared to Owen/Heskey but the last time they played a full match together for the national side they were responsible for all three goals in a friendly win over a top-notch Argentina outfit.
And it's an altogether easier assignment on Saturday against Estonia before what's going to be a crunch clash with Russia on Wednesday.
England have now won each of their last four qualifiers by a 3-0 margin which includes the reverse fixture away to Estonia when Owen, Joe Cole and Peter Crouch were all on target.
David Beckham set up two of those goals and though he's absent this time around, McClaren has plenty of options to mull over.
The big question is whether Frank Lampard comes back into the side but given how well Gareth Barry and Steven Gerrard gelled in the last two games, the Chelsea man will surely have to settle for a place on the bench.
The other big talking point concerns goalkeeper Paul Robinson but for all his recent problems, it's worth reminding ourselves that he's had five successive clean sheets in Euro 2008 qualifiers for England.
And it's the solidity of the Three Lions' defence which makes it nigh on impossible to envisage anything other than another comfortable win on Saturday.
For they've conceded just two goals - and both those came in the same match away to Croatia - in this qualifying campaign.
That's all in stark contrast to Estonia who have lost eight of their ten games, failing to score in any of those defeats.
They have at least improved slightly recently with a narrow victory over Andorra and then a 1-1 draw last time out with Macedonia.
We still can't see past a home win though - and with another clean sheet - but the bookies can't either.
England are as short as 1/20 in places for the three points and no better than 2/7 to win to nil so we'll have to look elsewhere for some value.
And the market which catches the eye is William Hill's special on which of the 'home' countries - Scotland, Wales and the Republic of Ireland are the others - will notch the quickest goal on Saturday.
England are the 8/13 favourites, with Scotland 4/1, Wales 9/2 and the Republic at 13/2 and it's John Toshack's Welsh outfit who we reckon might just be overpriced.
We haven't been their biggest fans over the last few months but there's no doubting they've improved markedly recently.
And they travel to Cyprus in Group D on the back of an amazing 5-2 victory away to Slovakia last month.
Despite that win they are the only one of the four teams in action on Saturday who can play with the freedom of knowing there's nothing at stake in terms of qualifying for the finals.
Crucially though they do have momentum, a point underlined this week by Toshack who knows that taking third place in the group could have a huge impact on seedings in draws for future European Championships and World Cups.
And goals have also been a feature of games involving both Wales (26 in eight) and Cyprus (29 in eight).
The Cypriots have also managed just two clean sheets in this campaign and both of those came againsta San Marino side which have been shutout in eight of their nine matches.
A further boost in expecting the trend to continue comes with the news that Wales captain Craig Bellamy could yet be involved this weekend.
He's played just 18 minutes of Premier League football since his stunning two-goal display against Slovakia but has been training this week after an operation by the German surgeon who did the same procedure on Michael Owen.
Owen was playing and scoring for Newcastle last weekend and Bellamy said on Thursday: "I would expect to be playing on Saturday, I feel fine and I would play now if I was asked."
Even if that proves a touch optimistic, there are plenty of alternatives - including Freddy Eastwood who might be out of favour at Wolves but has scored two goals in his first three games for Wales.
As well as the Wales to score the fastest goal of the 'home' nations quartet, they also merit at interest at 9/5 to win the game in Cyprus.
Despite their problems earlier in the campaign, Wales still ran out 3-1 winners at home to Cyprus and they look a far better side now.
Staying in Group D and the Republic of Ireland are moving in the opposite direction to Wales.
They still have a mathematical chance of qualifying but in reality it looks an impossibility following recent results.
They were edged out 1-0 by the Czech Republic last time out, hot on the heels of conceding a heartbreaking last-gasp equaliser against Slovakia.
They now face a massive task against Germany, a side who have scored 31 and conceded just four goals in the qualifying campaign to date.
For their part the Republic have netted just four times in their last four qualifiers so they fully merit their position as outsiders on Hills' market and should probably be bigger than 13/2.
The one side we haven't mentioned yet are Scotland who welcome Ukraine to a packed Hampden Park as they bid to continue their incredible run.
They sealed the double over France last time with a 1-0 success at the Parc des Princes, a result which means they top a devilishly-difficult Group B.
However they aren't going to find things straightforward against Ukraine.
They last played them on the back of a 1-0 win over France yet were brought back down to earth with a jolt as they were beaten 2-0.
Of course home advantage should make a big difference now but the pressure is well and truly on too and, despite their heroics, the Scots haven't got off to many flying starts in this campaign.
Indeed since their opening game with the Faroe Islands, they've only once netted in the opening half hour.
All of which gives plenty of scope to those getting with Wales at 9/2 to score the fastest goal.
England merit their position at the head of that market but 8/13 could be overplaying it given that Owen and Rooney have hardly played together in the last two years while Estonia have become harder to score against recently.
The one other bet we like the look of concerns Scotland's match with Ukraine - Kenny Miller to find the net anytime at 5/2.
Anyone who saw the reverse fixture in Kiev will be fully aware that Miller went agonisingly close to getting on the scoresheet on more than one occasion.
He was a threat throughout but somehow guided a free header wide from the edge of the six-yard box and also grazed the crossbar with a cross.
A hamstring problem ruled him out of Scotland's last double-header against Lithuania and France, during which time he sealed a move from Celtic to Derby.
And he's made a fine start at the relegation-threatened Rams, scoring their only two goals since his arrival (against Newcastle and Bolton) to earn them four valuablepoints.
His international record of nine goals in 32 appearances doesn't immediately suggest 5/2 is a great price but it becomes far more attractive when we point out this wager would have collected in seven of his last 12 matches for the national side.
Belgium is already out of EURO 2008 and this fact stands for some reason. They play on a very low level, beating only Serbia in Bruxelles of all of the decent teams in the group. There are some important missings in Belgian national team: Mbo Mpenza, Maarten Martens, Olivier Renard and Thomas Vermaelen so Belgium will strugle, I think.
Finland's defence is strong enough to keep a clean sheet in this match
Euro Qualifiers: 13th October
Well its now a long shot but you still never know...
but thats what happens Edin. I aint that old but in the past 37 years ive experienced enough of these situations to see that oyu can throw the form book out the window and you couldnt back Scotland with any confidence. what about that Dutch game at hampden a few years ago. we were looking good before it and the same things where being said. i think they thumped us 5 or 6 1 at Hampden (it was hampden asnt it?) I just think that the bookies like the press are underestimating the power of Scootland shooting themselves in the foot. We can go to france and get a win and the next game draw 1-1 with the Faroe Islands. Not only do i think a lay ioof Scotland is a good bet (as i aint even considering form) but it's made an even 
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