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Old 21-11-2007, 22:14
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Re: Next England Manager

World cup draw ODM ffs , we're still in that I think

How good does Sven look now eh? eh?
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Old 21-11-2007, 22:15
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That wouldnt surprise me either ....
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Old 21-11-2007, 22:16
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Re: Next England Manager

He's 1.07 to stay on betfair.

You can lay it for 1.1
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Re: Next England Manager

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World cup draw ODM ffs , we're still in that I think

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Old 22-11-2007, 11:21
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Re: Next England Manager

Former Real Madrid coach Fabio Capello has said he would be interested in the England manager's job.
Steve McClaren was sacked after England's 3-2 defeat by Croatia cost them a place at the Euro 2008 finals.

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Old 22-11-2007, 11:21
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Re: Next Permanent England Manager?

Looks like there's some major support for Shearer from somewhere In from 66/1 11 days ago to 14/1 now.

Have had a rather speculative shot on Frank Rijkaard. Barca have been struggling this season, and the Spanish press have been reporting Rijkaard's got until their Xmas game with Real Madrid to save his job. As Napoleon Solo's pointed out on another thread, England haven't got another game until March, and no competitive games until the World Cup qualifiers start next year, so there's no hurry whatsoever to appoint someone. Took Rijkaard at 70 on Betfair, if he does get sacked at Barca before the end of this year, I'd hope that price would drop somewhat.
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Old 22-11-2007, 11:31
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I can't be having the market for the next england manager at all - Mourinho as fave is a bit of a joke I think.

A quick(and fairly uneducated) run down of the runners and riders as I see it...

Mourinho - I can't for the life of me imagine that the big knobs at the FA, the same ones who appointed the straight laced yes man in McLaren, will now find it in themselves to plump for someone like Mourinho. For good or for bad, he turned Chelsea into a bit of a circus act, and there's no way the FA would want to risk having that happen to the England position, regardless of his ability.

O'Neill - the bbc say the major stumbling block here is that they turned him down last time, and he might not want it after that. Turning Aston Villa into a big side will be a long hard slog given the amount of money at the top of the English game now, and the England job isn't something that an ambitious manager like O'Neill could turn down - it's a huge position which doesn't come along often(well not usually ) and I cant see a clever fella like Martin turning it down for some petty reason.

Capello - the BBC article says the FA could be put off by his defensive style...not likely - what they wouldnt have given for a 0-0 or 1-0 last night! He is a cool, systematic manager that will organise the side well, which is what England need to harness the potential their players undoubtedly have.

Scolari - won't turn his back on Portugal before Euro 2008, and the FA wont wait for him.

Shearer - after the mess of England not qualifying for Euro 2008, can't see th FA taking any gambles with someone like Shearer.

Pearce - stock has fallen recently - too much of a gamble.

Redknapp - not a bad outsider, but again, not proven at the highest level. Bit too much of a controversial appointment.

Lippi - doubt he will want the job. The pressure surrounding it is something a wise old world cup winner could probably do without.

Allardyce - FA corruption investigation counts him out immediately.

Hiddink - see Scolari re: Russia.

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I really don't see any more than two realistic choices here, O'Neill or Capello.

5pts O'Neill @ 5.00(BlueSq)
4pts Capello@ 8.00(Paddy Power)
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Old 22-11-2007, 11:40
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Re: Next Permanent England Manager?

Oops...posted in Talk Sports cos I didn't see dis fred.

I can't be having the market for the next england manager at all - Mourinho as fave is a bit of a joke I think.

A quick(and fairly uneducated) run down of the runners and riders as I see it...

Mourinho - I can't for the life of me imagine that the big knobs at the FA, the same ones who appointed the straight laced yes man in McLaren, will now find it in themselves to plump for someone like Mourinho. For good or for bad, he turned Chelsea into a bit of a circus act, and there's no way the FA would want to risk having that happen to the England position, regardless of his ability.

O'Neill - the bbc say the major stumbling block here is that they turned him down last time, and he might not want it after that. Turning Aston Villa into a big side will be a long hard slog given the amount of money at the top of the English game now, and the England job isn't something that an ambitious manager like O'Neill could turn down - it's a huge position which doesn't come along often(well not usually ) and I cant see a clever fella like Martin turning it down for some petty reason.

Capello - the BBC article says the FA could be put off by his defensive style...not likely - what they wouldnt have given for a 0-0 or 1-0 last night! He is a cool, systematic manager that will organise the side well, which is what England need to harness the potential their players undoubtedly have.

Scolari - won't turn his back on Portugal before Euro 2008, and the FA wont wait for him.

Shearer - after the mess of England not qualifying for Euro 2008, can't see th FA taking any gambles with someone like Shearer.

Pearce - stock has fallen recently - too much of a gamble.

Redknapp - not a bad outsider, but again, not proven at the highest level. Bit too much of a controversial appointment.

Lippi - doubt he will want the job. The pressure surrounding it is something a wise old world cup winner could probably do without.

Allardyce - FA corruption investigation counts him out immediately.

Hiddink - see Scolari re: Russia.

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I really don't see any more than two realistic choices here, O'Neill or Capello.

5pts O'Neill @ 5.00(BlueSq)
4pts Capello @ 8.00(Paddy Power)
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Re: Next England Manager

Nice stuff Beanie , i wouldnt disagree with your conclusions.
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Re: Next Permanent England Manager?

Not sure I'd agree on the subject of Scolari/Hiddink that the FA won't wait for them. England have got no competitive matches until Euro 2008 is out of the way and the World Cup qualifiers start. While it'd be nice to appoint someone early and give them time to work with the players in a few friendlies, if the FA have a particular manager in mind, and know there's a chance he'll be available as of next summer, they might possibly be prepared to wait for him.
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Re: Next Permanent England Manager?

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Oops...posted in Talk Sports cos I didn't see dis fred.
Freds merged, as it's getting confusing, what with these two threads (well, one now) plus "The England thread"
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Old 22-11-2007, 11:54
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Re: Next England Manager

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IMourinho - I can't for the life of me imagine that the big knobs at the FA, the same ones who appointed the straight laced yes man in McLaren, will now find it in themselves to plump for someone like Mourinho. For good or for bad, he turned Chelsea into a bit of a circus act, and there's no way the FA would want to risk having that happen to the England position, regardless of his ability.

Capello - the BBC article says the FA could be put off by his defensive style...not likely - what they wouldnt have given for a 0-0 or 1-0 last night! He is a cool, systematic manager that will organise the side well, which is what England need to harness the potential their players undoubtedly have.

5pts O'Neill @ 5.00(BlueSq)
4pts Capello@ 8.00(Paddy Power)
I wouldnt go for O'Neill - because getting knocked back last time round shows the FA werent impressed. For what its worth, the last 4 at the selection policy were Allardyce, O'Neill, Curbs and McLaren.

The fact that the FA panel picked McLaren out of those 4 tells me there's something wrong with the way the manager is chosen.

I think the FA needs to have a look at who has input into the decision as they picked the wrong man last time clearly. Maybe this will have an impact on how long it takes and who is chosen as McLaren's successor.

For this reason, I will be laying off my Capello bet if it sees 3/1. I just dont like the unpredictability of the whole thing. Yes he is the best man for the job (being realistic) but I dont like unknowns.
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Re: Next Permanent England Manager?

If its down to the same people who appointed McClaren,i'd check the odds on Coco the Clown.

Give Harry Redknapp the job,you know what they say "just give me a chance".I sure the players would take to him.

The FA arent going to pick him,but ive had a little interest @19.5 matched at betfair

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Old 22-11-2007, 19:06
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Re: Next Permanent England Manager?

Just a few thoughts from my blog...

The dust has barely settled on the most disappointing of Euro 2008 campaigns for all the home nations. Failure to qualify means there will be no British interest in Austria and Switzerland in the Summer which is a major bummer. After last night’s debacle at Wembley Steve McClaren finds himself out of a job today (albeit £2.5million pound better off!) and the great debate about who will be his replacement is already if full swing. Early betting favourites have emerged and there are a few dark horses.

* Martin O’Neill 7/2 (BetFred, BlueSq, Coral, Stan James)
* Jose Mourinho 4/1 (Skybet)
* Fabio Capello 6/1 (BetDirect, Coral, Skybet, totesport, VCBet)
* Luis Felipe Scolari 16/1 (BlueSq, William Hill)
* Alan Shearer 20/1 (Coral)
* Harry Redknapp 20/1 (Bet365, BetDirect, BetFred, VCBet)
* Marcello Lippi 25/1 (BetFred)
* Guus Hiddink 25/1 (BetDirect, Skybet, William Hill)
* Stuart Pearce 25/1 (BlueSq, Stan James, William Hill)
* Mark Hughes 40/1 (BetDirect, BetFred, Paddy Power)
* Jurgen Klinsmann 40/1 (BetDirect)
* Arsene Wenger 50/1 (BlueSq, Ladbrokes)
* Sir Alex Ferguson 66/1 (BetFred, BlueSq, Skybet)
* David Beckham 250/1 (Paddy Power)

Martin O’Neill
Seems to be early the early favourite, but will the FA have the balls to go back to a man they interviewed and re-offer him the position? Also, it’s my opinion that O’Neill’s stock has fallen somewhat this season as he has struggled to shake off the mediocre tag often labelled at Aston Villa. His signings have been fairly uninspiring and some have failed to settle. One thing is for sure however, is that he is a man manager and would get the most out of the currently under achieving England squad.

Verdict: Could depend on whether O’Neill would take it or not. One to watch.

Jose Mourinho
An interesting one. There is no doubting the Special One’s ability but he’s not been short of his run-ins with the FA in the past. I think his lack of humility at times makes him a hugely risky appointment for an organisation such as the FA. He would never be a ‘yes’ man either and I could only see a turbulent tenure ahead.

Verdict: Faller at the first fence. Keep your money in your pocket.

Fabio Capello
Well he’s already said he’d be interested so that makes him worth a look on the betting front. The ex Real-Madrid boss, who is 61 says “It would be a beautiful challenge. I am the right age.” To a certain extent he has a point, as younger managers tend to want the day-to-day involvement of club football. On the downside, controversy seems to follow Capello around, from bust-ups at Roma to scandal at Juventus, can the FA afford any more negative publicity?

Verdict: No doubt he’s a thoroughbred but his lack of English may be a problem. Respected.

Luis Felipe Scolari
Having previously rejected Brain Barwick’s advances surely the FA wouldn’t risk a second knock-back from big Phil. Scolari has just secured qualification and will no doubt want to see the job through again in Austria and Switzerland so England would need to wait to get their man but this time there would be no conflict of interest for the Brazilian.

Verdict: Great track record. Timing wasn’t right last time round. At 16/1 one for the shortlist.

Alan Shearer
He may be a favourite amongst the fans, but his lack of experience rules him out for me. The England job is not an apprenticeship full stop.

Verdict: Non-runner

Harry Redknapp
No doubt in my mind he’s the best Englishman for the job. He’s been making the most of limited resources for years and years so what could he do with the luxuries of Gerrard, Terry, Lampard and Owen? Much like Cloughie all those years ago though, the FA will probably take an easier option.

Verdict: Would take it if offered but probably won’t even make the interview stage. Others preferred.

Guus Hiddink
His name is never far away when the top jobs are vacant. And for good reason. For all of England’s failings lets not forget he was the man who masterminded Russia’s qualification. Add to that his success with South Korea and Australia and here we have a man who knows how to succeed in the International arena. He’s a student of the English game, has ambitions to manage in the Premier League and speaks perfect English. Despite being 25/1 at BetDirect, Skybet and William Hill he’s just 7/1 at Ladbrokes. Do they already know something?

Verdict: Consistent and effective performer. Big fancy. Take the 25s now!

Rest of the Field
Everyone from Arsene Wenger to Sir Alex is going to be linked with the job in the coming weeks and favourites will come and go. I like the look of Mark Hughes who has carved out a good reputation in his time at Blackburn, but I think he’d rather stay in club management and his next job could be at Old Trafford. Stuart Pearce would stand a chance but that means the FA appointing from within again and I can’t see them doing it twice in a row. Jurgen Klinsmann’s name has been mentioned a few times, but a German managing England? Never. And what about Mr Beckham he wouldn’t give up his L.A. lifestyle to take up the reigns. Would he?
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Re: Next Permanent England Manager?

The best in that lot is Arsene Wenger a shrewd manager who keeps digging up diamonds from know where Knows the English game well , but one problem , he would be mad to leave Arsenal and I would doubt very much if he would.
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