Flopping a small fullhouse

[aliensyndm]

Flopping a fullhouse is normally a good thing right, but sometimes it can land you in bother ! The kind I am on about is if you are holdin a small pocket pair like 33,44,55 and flop a house.
Say you are holding 66 and you flop J J 6. Now plenty worse flops than that right ? You've made a pretty big hand there. You don't have to worry about straights or flushes coming, these are some of the hands that might pay you off.
The main worry is someone with a jack filling up to a bigger fullhouse.
A jack is certainly in the "playing zone". It's a card many people will call preflop with. AJ, KJ, QJ, TJ also many people will call any 2 suited cards.
It's back to that slowplay thing again. The stronger your hand is the more you can slow play it. Slowplay becomes more dangerous the more opponents you are against. If you are in a pot with say 5+ players, slowplaying that hand could lead you into trouble. I mean you want people to hit their flushes straights right but you don't want anyone with a jack filling up to a better full house and costing you ! Should you bet this hand on the flop ? The thinking going that you will get action from anyone who has a jack, except you gotta think here you are still ahead as it'd be pretty hard to put them on J6. You also get deception in your favour as noone is gonna think you are coming out betting a fullhouse on the flop. Hands like AJ KJ QJ etc will give you action here. Also people might think you are trying to buy the pot and people with pocket pairs like 99 88 or even QQ etc might call, who also have a chance to outdraw you of course. Now obviously you would want as much cash in on the flop before they have a chance to fill up. The flip side of this is that the possible straights/flushes who might pay you off won't get a chance to be made as not many people are gonna be sticking about on a flop like that especially if there is raising going on. So where do you draw the line ?
Do you check this ? Do you bet this ? What are people's opinions ?

[Tony Quinlan]

What sport is this please?

[aliensyndm]

If you mean what game I am talking about No limit Hold 'em.

[Tony Quinlan]

Ah....cards.

I can only play 'snap' myself.

[aliensyndm]

Well snap is a game of skill. Unlike some other card games which are purely luck.
Did the fact that this post was in the poker forum not give you a clue ?!?

[Tony Quinlan]

Yes, but I'm pissed
I'm also new here.

[mrmuzeman]

Say you are holding 66 and you flop J J 6. Now plenty worse flops than that right ?

Too fcuking right Btw if I got 66 I can slowplay personally cos im not in danger but others may be

In this scenario witht he pocket pair if the flop comes with a paired board 10s or higher its a bet required for sure if theres a multiway pot. That way if your lucky you might be able to get it all in on the flop against the trips which is best case scenario. If they flat call then youd get it all in on the turn instead and its unlikely they fill up, if they do so be it, its just unlucky.

Depends what the FH is tho, with the small/med pocket pair one like that its correct to lead or bet imo. IF you flop the big full with AK on a AKK board etc then your not in danger and you can slowplay.

[aliensyndm]

That's the thing I mean today I had 66 and flopped T T 6
Now I think there was 4 or was it 5 other people in this pot. I was middle position. The thinking is I'm only gonna get paid on this by someone with a 10 so might as well bet it now and see if anyone does, before they fill it up. I bet the flop and they all folded Still better to win a small pot than lose a big one right ? Completely different to say flopping the big fullhouse, like I had QQ and flopped Q22 the other day. Now I actually want anyone with a deuce to fill up and pay me off. Turned out the guy in the big blind made a backdoor straight with rags and I got him all in He was not amused, he called me a cunt
It's amusing when people don't realise their hand have been rendered almost useless, like someone flopping a set and then the board ends up four flushed and 9 T J Q K
Or someone flopping the small house like 2 K K with 22 and then the board hits runner runner queens to end up 2 K K Q Q and they still bet their deuces full like it's unbeatable.

[Colbro]

Welcome to the Poker forum Tony

[Tony Quinlan]

Originally Posted by Colbro

Welcome to the Poker forum Tony

I didn't even realise I was in a poker forum...I am still getting used to this place!


I clicked on 'recent posts'

What I know about cards can be written on the back of one in capital letters.
:loon

[Colbro]

You'll love online Poker Tony - lots of conspiracy theories about it being fixed.

(sorry - Couldn't resist)

[aliensyndm]

Oh it's totally fixed, I mean check this......

http://www.billrini.com/index.php/20...oker-is-rigged

[Jezza]

This can be a tough spot to decide what to do in - as always it depends I think

The thing is like you say, say you hold 66 and the flop is JJ6 rainbow. Now you are definately getting action from a jack here and they have a realistic shot at outdrawing you so free cards CAN hurt you here. However the problem comes in that weird things might happen on the turn and river which would result in you being paid by something else. A backdoor flush for example, or a straight. Or somebody possibly falling into a smaller FH with pocket 2s or 3s and catching their set for instance. The latter is especially good as they might put you on a slowplayed J and you get all their stack. Its therefore a pretty close call as to what to do.

I think in general there you have to weigh up the situation in terms of the number of players in the pot and the board. If theres only 1 or 2 others in the pot im probably going to take the chance and slowplay it - the chances are they dont have the key paired card to pay you off at the moment and you have to try and let them catch up. IF one of them had put in a decent raise preflop however then I could well lead at, they might have a 2nd best hand in the form of an overpair they wont let go of here, but assuming just 1 or 2 limpers I do prob slowplay and hope they fall into something that they will pay you off with. If there are a lot of players in the pot and the paired card is a J (poss a 10 as well) or higher then I will prob lead at it. Its far more likely here that someone has the card and you will get maximum action playing it this way if that is the case - I would discount ANYONE having J6 (apart from POSSIBLY the blinds but still it is very unlikely) and I would definately go to the felt on the flop in this situation with anyone of the limpers. If the board pair probably did not help anyone (bar maybe the blinds) like 655 or something then I would probably slowplay and hope an action card like an A fell on the turn or someone else makes something backdoor. A blind holding a 5 here, well it doesnt matter if they fill up

[Doc]

Playing a NL cash game yesterday for the first time in a while. I limped in UTG with 88. A very aggressive, loose (and bad!) player made a min raise from cut-off. Both blinds folded and I called.

The flop came QQ8 rainbow. I checked, he bet about 3/4 of the pot. I called. The turn came an Ace (of the 4th suit, i.e. no flush possible now). I checked again, hoping this would hit him. He bet the pot, I re-raised him twice the (new) pot, putting him all-in. He calls and turns over A4o. River came another A

[aliensyndm]

And my flopping a full house moan is flopping fours full of threes wth about 7 people in the pot. I check raise it and the guy calls, turn is an 8 and I get him all in. He flips over pocket 8s