FOLD CALL OR RAISE?

[Jezza]

Chris and Muse aint allowed allowed to answer as they have inside info on this hand already!

It would be interesting if you posted your thoughts on what mag has (and if you would fold call or raise depending on your read.....)

Jez

Hand history below

Game #3276516394: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2006/08/31 - 08:35:52 (ET)
Table "luckyman" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: Roman13 (£183.50 in chips)
Seat 2: CALL.MUCK (£491.98 in chips)
Seat 3: mannien (£208.79 in chips)
Seat 4: DrPill (£468 in chips)
Seat 5: PokaHunta (£593.75 in chips)
Seat 6: mag-c (£1505.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Killy9 (£226.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Badpoker (£342.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Devestatr (£539.75 in chips)
Seat 10: cDShiva (£493 in chips)
mag-c: posts small blind £2
Killy9: posts big blind £5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Devestatr [Qc Qh]
Badpoker: folds
Devestatr: raises to £25
cDShiva: folds
Roman13: folds
CALL.MUCK: folds
mannien: folds
DrPill: folds
PokaHunta: folds
mag-c: calls £23
Killy9: calls £20
----- FLOP ----- [2d 4h 2c]
mag-c: checks
Killy9: checks
Devestatr: bets £72
mag-c: calls £72
Killy9: folds
----- TURN ----- [2d 4h 2c][5d]
mag-c: checks
Devestatr: checks
----- RIVER ----- [2d 4h 2c 5d][Td]
mag-c: bets £177
Devestatr:........................................ .......?

[mrmuzeman]

Bah

[trickrick]

Complete stab - pair of 4's one of which was a diamond??

And (bearing in mind I'm shite at cash games) I'll say I'd have presumed the person had a low pair that hit so I fold...????

(You can all laugh now... )

[mrmuzeman]

Dyou mean pocket 4s Trick? Also whats one of them being a diamond got to do with anything

[DAVEYBAZZ]

tricky one ...... i think it may be something that may have pissed you off (if you folded) so my shot in the dark is ..... a pair of pocket jacks ?????

jezza was he the sort to call your raise with a2 , a3 suited or a small pair ????

[trickrick]

Originally Posted by mrmuzeman

Dyou mean pocket 4s Trick? Also whats one of them being a diamond got to do with anything

Yeah pocket 4's...Ignore the diamond thing...The Becks is already taking it's toll...

[trickrick]

Hole cards are definately a pair...?

[wazik]

If we assume that cos he has three times the buy-in hes a half decent player then hes looking at the way you have played it then hes got to put you on AA, KK or QQ, although it would be possible you have AK.

My first thought was a pocket pair maybe 88, 99 or 1010 but its hard to have a clue what he has without any information on him. I am prolly folding here, theres just too many hands that beat me.

[cains]

ahh fcuk it... the more i think about the more i came to one conclusion... I SUCK at poker...
Started thinking 66-AA then 99-AA then TT-KK
So thats where im ending... Dont believe he has the flush..
Dont believe he has the straight..

He could have a set or Quads.. If he is a loose player, he could call a standard raise with that hand, and then hope to hit...
If he hit big. Just check on flop, and you raise like he did...
Maybe went for a check raise on turn as well.. But failed...

And then Just under pot size bet on river....

Its not AT

Im down toTT-KK or 22 or 44

He can not believe you on flush or straight draw.. So if he has BIG HAND, then no need to bet that much... So its either a complete bluff or he has JJ,QQ or KK

Thats end up in 50-50 if we remove the split.. So i vote flat call...



Im problably wrong couse im on my way out now.. City having BIG PARTY next week.. And im planning on having a few pints.

And meeting up with a sister to one of my friends.. But she dont think my friend should know we talk together, or going out tonight.. So hoping for some fun later on..

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by cains

And meeting up with a sister to one of my friends.. But she dont think my friend should know we talk together, or going out tonight.. So hoping for some fun later on..

go on Denmark

[LAMPS]

id fold, smells like A2 diamonds to me lol

[mrmuzeman]

Great read Lamps, especially considering the 2 of diamonds is on the flop! If that ones right ill give you the money meself (Les Dennis)

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by DAVEYBAZZ

jezza was he the sort to call your raise with a2 , a3 suited or a small pair ????

Hmm I think a small pair is a definate possibility preflop. A2s or A3s is less so but not impossible. I was playing pretty tight and raised big UTG+1. He knows I have at minimum AQs here probably so he is not going to get too out of line. His implied odds dwindled as noone called the raise before him. I think if 4 players had called it before him then A2s would be far more likely than it is now. Hes pretty decent and tight himself Bazz, I reckon a 2 is improbable but not impossible for him preflop.

Jez

[Jezza]

IM GLAD NOONE HAS TICKED OPTION 4 IN THE POLL COS IM BACK ON 2/5 POUNDS AS WE SPEAK LOL

[Jezza]

OH DEAR (I am BluffKing....I had been playing pretty well and winning slowly then this happened)


Game #3298538994: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2006/09/01 - 22:52:20 (UK)
Table "luckyman" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: porez (£372.25 in chips)
Seat 2: ThierryH (£186 in chips)
Seat 3: mark493 (£373 in chips)
Seat 4: Golfplaya (£455 in chips)
Seat 5: hitmenow2 (£908.25 in chips)
Seat 6: *KISMET* (£506 in chips)
Seat 7: BluffKing (£693.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Myggebo (£633.27 in chips)
Seat 9: Rhaegar (£804.74 in chips)
Seat 10: luckystar (£1109.50 in chips)
*KISMET*: posts small blind £2
BluffKing: posts big blind £5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to BluffKing [Ac As]
Myggebo: folds
Rhaegar: folds
luckystar: folds
porez: folds
ThierryH: calls £5
mark493: folds
Golfplaya: folds
hitmenow2: calls £5
*KISMET*: raises to £25
BluffKing: raises to £100
ThierryH: folds
hitmenow2: folds
*KISMET*: raises to £285
BluffKing: raises to £693.25 and is all-in
*KISMET*: is all-in £221
Returned uncalled bets £187.25 to BluffKing
----- FLOP ----- [6d Jd 4c]
----- TURN ----- [6d Jd 4c][Js]
----- RIVER ----- [6d Jd 4c Js][4h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
BluffKing: shows [Ac As] (Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks, Six high)
*KISMET*: shows [Jc Tc] (A Full House, Jacks full of Fours)
*KISMET* collects £1019 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £1022 Main pot £1019 Rake £3
Board [6d Jd 4c Js 4h]
Seat 1: porez folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ThierryH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mark493 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Golfplaya folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hitmenow2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: *KISMET* (small blind) showed [Jc Tc] and won (£1019) with A Full House, Jacks full of Fours
Seat 7: BluffKing (big blind) showed [Ac As] and lost
Seat 8: Myggebo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Rhaegar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: luckystar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
****HAND ENDS****
NEVERMIND I AINT GOT TIME TO BLEED