Playing a Flush Pre-Flop

[kompressaur]

If you have 2 cards the same suit pre flop how much would you spend trying to see the flop?

[kompressaur]

I seem to just chase flushes blind pre-flop. If im late in a hand i think i would probably always pay to see the flop. I'd even call a raise twice prob I think

[pistol984]

It all depends on what the two suited cards are, if I have position, the stack sizes of me and my opponents, number of limpers and how well I'm reading my opponents.

I like limping with suited connectors from late position in multi-way pots with deep stacks.

I also don't mind raising with them in late position against 1 limper, hoping the blinds will fold and I'll be heads up with the limper. If I have a good read.

Generally Komp, I wouldn't go calling any raises with any 2 suited cards. I might make exceptions based on some of the factors above if the cards are connected (more chance of catching a straight), I'd call small raises. If I have the ace of a particular suit and I'm drawing towards the nut flush in late position I'll maybe limp.

[kompressaur]

Thanks pistol. Dont go calling raises. The god loves a woking man and dont call raises.

[TheHomeofPoker]

Originally Posted by kompressaur

If you have 2 cards the same suit pre flop how much would you spend trying to see the flop?

any two cards of the same suit are still junk, they just look prettier, if they're connected and your in LP then limp in for the BB, other than that, put them in the bin for the Rangers fans to find

[kompressaur]

Thanks THOP. So god love a working man, don't call raises, connected cards are worth a limp. I dont understand it al but i will.

[aliensyndm]

People love to play suited cards........."They were soooooooooted" etc but don't fall into this trap. J-3 suited is still a junk hand and should be binned.

Also remember when playing connectors to make sure they are just that, there shouldn't be a gap of more than two places between them.
These would be connectors ..... 7-8 , 7-9, 7-10, 8-9, 8-10, 8-J
Whereas 7-J, 8-Q , 5-9 wouldn't be.
With connectors you are always able to make the nut straight. With hands like J-7 , Q-8 you can never make the nut straight and you may well end up losing a stack when you've made a hand......eg J-7 and you flop 8 9 10 etc. Of course you can still make a lower straight with connectors, for instance if you had 7-10 and the flop was 8-9-J , you flopped the "low" straight.......10-Q would be the hight straight or the nut straight.

When you have two suited cards the chance you will make a flush by the river is only a little over 6%. Also remember that it's unlikely you are going to get to see the turn and river for free and it's not always going to be worth your while drawing. You have to bear this in mind, with two suited cards you aren't going to make a flush very often.

Compare this to holding a pocket pair where it's about 12% that you will have a set or better on the flop and you should see the difference is huge. You'll make your hand much more often with a pocket pair and there's a much bigger chance you'll make it on the flop. It's about 20% you hit a set by the river. The chances of flopping a flush are less than 1%

Also another obvious thing to be careful with suited cards is making a lower flush. Having something like KQ suited and making a flush only to lose out to an ace high flush. If you have a flush which isn't the nut flush you have to try and figure out what your opponent is playing if you are getting action. Someone with a nut flush maybe more likely to check whereas someone with a lower flush may bet as they are scared of the board 4-flushing....the person with the nut flush would not be as concerned about this as he will still have the best flush.

Don't get carried away and think having suited cards means a junk hand is now playable.....it isn't !

[Jezza]

great post alien.

Komp thats good advice from mr syndm, look for connecting cards as well as suited to give them a bit more value. The ONLY rag suited hand you could consider limping in with in a cash game is Arag suited. This is for the chance of making the nut flush over a smaller flush, this always results in a big pot in a cash game and you want to be on the right side of it every time.

Hi BTW HOP, have you been to the new nash yet?

Jez

[kompressaur]

Lovely Alien i understood every word of that. thanks for posting it so simply for me. Im gonna reread it all again before i shoot off for a while and then take it all onboard as part of my armoury. I was throwing a wee bit away each time just to try and see the flop withj my 2 suited card and hope to see another 2. then i had to catch another one on the turn and the river. aye it might have got me some nice pots at times and i can see now how my style of playing these might have confused some experienced players. Fcuk theyd have hated me with my J2's

[Jezza]

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