England v Wales Rugby August 4th

[traeth]

Saturday 4th August 2007, 16:00

odds from Paddy Power
match England 1.14 Draw 26.00 Wales 5.00
handicap England -13.0 1.90 Draw (13.0) 26.00 Wales +13.0 1.90

Teams
England: Mark Cueto; David Strettle, Dan Hipkiss, Andy Farrell, Jason Robinson; Jonny Wilkinson, Shaun Perry; Andrew Sheridan, Mark Regan, Phil Vickery (captain), Simon Shaw, Steve Borthwick, Martin Corry, Joe Worsley, Nick Easter
Replacements: George Chuter, Matt Stevens, Lewis Moody, Lawrence Dallaglio, Peter Richards, Toby Flood, Mathew Tait

Wales L Byrne (Ospreys); A Brew (Ospreys), T Shanklin (Cardiff Blues), G Thomas (Cardiff Blues, capt), D James (Llanelli Scarlets); C Sweeney (Newport Gwent Dragons), G Cooper (Gloucester); I Thomas (Llanelli Scarlets), H Bennett (Ospreys), C Horsman (Worcester), W James (Gloucester), R Sidoli (Cardiff Blues), A W Jones (Ospreys), C Charvis (Newport Gwent Dragons), M Owen (Newport Gwent Dragons).
Replacements: G Jenkins (Cardiff Blues), R Thomas (Newport Gwent Dragons), T R Thomas (Newport Gwent Dragons), A Popham (Llanelli Scarlets), M Phillips (Ospreys), J Hook (Ospreys), T James (Cardiff Blues).

This info from the BBC
England preview BBC SPORT | Rugby Union | English | Centre Hipkiss gets England call
Wales preview BBC SPORT | Rugby Union | Welsh | Wales debut for second row James

My first impression are Wales +13 is a generous offer in a "friendly"

I will post more detailed thoughts later

[traeth]

take care when using oddschecker as i was caught out when i thought i had spotted a possibility of making money.

I see on oddschecker England available @2.0 on betfair , in my rush to get my money on , but only £10 available so I quickly place my bet.
I then place £10 on Wales +13 with Paddies @1.91
So if Wales lose by less than 13 points I'm in the money on both bets, WRONG
Even though I had gone via the oddschecker link and in my rush to place the bet I hadn't noticed that the betfair bet placed was an England v Wales tournament match bet , I'd rather lose that bet than have England go further than Wales in the RWC , in reality though , both will be knocked out the same weekend in the quarters.
I did this earlier tonight when I was sober , luckily only £10 was available as in my greed I would have placed much more if it had been available.

[Pie-chucker]

Wales will miss Stephen Jones bossing it at 10; England seem to have a big pack and line-out proficiency. Strong bench (all-used?) and with Twickenham factor and Jonny's place-kicking should get over the 13.

But it's hardly a game to pile into.