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Old 27-07-2005, 23:07
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Tennis Qualifiers System

Trying desperately to stop playing poker and gear up for the new betting season. Tennis has always been pretty good for me but I've neglected it like a red headed child recently . Hope to remedy that here with some purely mechanical tennis systems in addition to my “normal” bets that are ratings derived. This system is for ATP

System 1: Back all Pre Qualifiers in their Round 1 matches in Non Masters / Slam Events

System

This basically entails a blanket backing of all players who have gone through qualifying matches in their first round matches (except if drawn together) in their first round matches. This means 4 players for most events or 6 players for a few (Barcelona etc). Masters and Grand Slam events are excluded from the system as most direct entry competitors in the main draws tend to be better rested and prepared for the big money events than they might be for smaller events.

Logic Behind System

Players who have played qualifiers have often acclimatized better to conditions in terms of court surface / weather / accommodation. Their opponents (being better players generally to get direct entry) have sometimes arrived only a day before the start if they have been involved in the latter stages of previous tours. As many of the qualifiers especially in the weaker events are journeymen that sometimes slip under the betting radar they can often go of at very tasty odds. This system is especially useful when the higher ranked player that you oppose is changing surface (i.e the move from South American clay to hardcourt), traveling across time zones (going from a US tournament to a European with less than 3 days rest). The benefits of the qualifier being in situ are magnified in such circumstances.

Past Performance of System

In 2003 this returned a very modest profit (under 2%). In 2004 this returned a nice yield of just under 6% to level stakes with nearly 220 bets. These are best bookies odds and the yield would be much better at the exchanges as many of these selections are rank outsiders. This good perfoamnce in past years was aided considerably by huge touches for qualifiers such as Ian Flanagan versus Philipousos (at 10s), Zib vs Henman (at 8s).

In 2005 to the end of March there had been 62 qualifying bets. There were only 23 winners but they returned over 64 Units at just Bet365 prices (a very small profit). With exchange betting a larger profit would have been made. Big priced winners included Gabashvalli beating Blake at over 4s, Luzack beating Gonzalez at 5s and De Chanuac beating Coria at 5.5. I actually got De Chanuac at 7s on Betfair.

Problems with System / Alternate Approaches

A blanket backing of qualifiers might be a very blunt mechanism for some games where the qualifier might not be able to beat the opponent but would have a good chance to get a set. For example recently Ivo Minar (backable at 30/1 for the match on Betfair) took Federer to 3 sets as did Reynolds vs Spadea (both available at 4s), Kohlmann vs Sanguinetti and Lapentti vs Moya. I will in addition to the blanket backing of qualifiers also investigate the laying of strong favorite’s sets 2-0 vs qualifiers. Longish losing runs a strong possibility. One for the long haul.

Staking / Bank

Bank 100 Units / All Stakes to return 2.5 Units post comm. (Betfair) / Max Stake 7.5 Units.

Start Date

This will start proofing with the Croatian Open and the Legg Mason (Washington) Open next Monday 1st August.
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Old 31-07-2005, 22:35
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Re: Tennis Qualifiers System

Missed this post CJ, but your results look promising, so I look forward to see how the selections go this week.

Good luck
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Old 01-08-2005, 10:56
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The Legg Mason qualifiers start tonight and a motley bunch they are – so motley that Betfair haven’t priced them up . Hopefully they will be up later as the bookies prices are too skinny for this system.

The Croatian Open qualifiers play tomorrow.
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Old 01-08-2005, 17:53
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Re: Tennis Qualifiers System

The Big Blue have got organised. Not the best of openers for this system.

Moodie looks like he might be vulnerable, as he seems to have regressed somewhat. Smeets hasn’t much pedigree unfortunately. Wayne Arthurs is nearing the end of his career but should probably have too much for Simmonds on the outright. The latter might nick a set.

The other two qualifiers (Healey and Heuberger) play Carraz and Baker tomorrow.

Outright

Lay Moodie vs Smeets (q) 0.79 Units @ 1.3
Lay Arthurs vs Simmonds (q) 0.76 Units @ 1.29


Lay 2-0 Sets

Lay Moodie sets vs Smeets (q) 1.38 Units @ 1.69
Lay Arthurs sets vs Simmonds (q) 1.58 Units @ 1.60
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:14
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Re: Tennis Qualifiers System

Little in the way for set betting. Moya would be a good bet for dropping a set as would Mantilla who is in rapid decline.

All Sopot Open (Poland)

Lay Almagro vs Portas (q) – 1.13 Units @ 1.43
Lay Moya vs Frytenberg (q) – 0.21 Units @ 1.08
Lay Monfils vs Marin (q) – 1.84 Units @ 1.72
Lay Mantilla vs Matkowksi 0.47 Units @ 1.18
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:41
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Re: Tennis Qualifiers System

Thanks CJ will follow with interest.
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Old 02-08-2005, 16:49
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Not going so well today with all 3 outrights. Not unduly worried as this is a system with some series downturns. 2 of the 3 selections today nicked a set but I couldn’t get matched unfortunately. Liquidity for set betting will always be a problem at the "smaller events". Should have perhaps considered backing the favorites 2-1 with the bookies when the set lay is unavailable as I would have made a nice return at 4/1 each.

2 final selections for this week are in the Legg Mason. Carraz got to a weak Challenge final in Canad during last week (lost) and I;ve often found that weaker players coming off a final tend to slump if they play very soon after. Big serving Healy should nick a set.


Match Betting

Lay Baker vs Heuberger (q) 1.97 Units @ 1.74
Lay Carraz vs Healey (q) 1.03 Units @ 1.39

2-0 Set Betting

Lay Baker vs Heuberger (q) 4.68 Units @ 1.78
Lay Carraz vs Healey (q) 2.53 Units @ 1.96
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Old 03-08-2005, 00:06
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Re: Tennis Qualifiers System

Not the best of starts but this is a very up and down system. 3 of the 4 matches in Sopot went to 3 sets and would be showing a tasty little profit if I’d been organised enough to lay those games.

Outright

Lay Moodie vs Smeets (q) 0.79 Units @ 1.3 –0.79
Lay Arthurs vs Simmonds (q) 0.76 Units @ 1.29 –0.76
Lay Almagro vs Portas (q) – 1.13 Units @ 1.43 –1.13
Lay Moya vs Frytenberg (q) – 0.21 Units @ 1.08 –0.21
Lay Monfils vs Marin (q) – 1.84 Units @ 1.72 –1.84
Lay Mantilla vs Matkowksi 0.47 Units @ 1.18 –0.47
Lay Baker vs Heuberger (q) 1.97 Units @ 1.74 –1.97
Lay Carraz vs Healey (q) 1.03 Units @ 1.39 +2.50

Bets 8
W1 L8
Staked 8.20
Returned 3.54
Loss –4.66

Set Lays

Lay Moodie sets vs Smeets (q) 1.38 Units @ 1.69 –1.38 Units
Lay Arthurs sets vs Simmonds (q) 1.58 Units @ 1.60 +2.50 Units
Lay Baker vs Heuberger (q) 4.68 Units @ 1.78 –4.68 Units
Lay Carraz vs Healey (q) 2.53 Units @ 1.96 +2.50 Units

Bets 4
W2 L2
Staked 9.11
Returned 7.62
Loss –1.49
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Old 08-08-2005, 11:21
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Re: Tennis Qualifiers System

Only Masters tennis this week which is excluded
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Old 08-08-2005, 11:26
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Re: Tennis Qualifiers System

I think at least master-series should be included, here qualifiers are pretty strong (not like a grand-slam) and players like Wawrinka, Okun, Sanguinetti have chance to get through the first round.
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