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Old 11-08-2005, 12:42
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A Tennis Set Betting Model

When constructing a price for set betting in tennis the bookmakers base their prices on the respective players “straight” win odds. For example a typical bookmaker who prices a player to win a match at between 2/5 and 4/9 will offer odds to win 2-0 of around evens. The price to win 2-1 will typically be around 4s. If you look at the Betfair prices in the Agassi Kiefer match at the moment Agassi priced at 1.4 is 2.04 to win 2-0 and 4.2 to win 2-1. A similar relatively linear relationship between the straight win price and the 2-0 set win price can be easily constructed. The 2-1 price is a bit more complicated. It resembles more a bowl if plotted on a graph but for the purposes of this system I won’t go into it too much. I’ll try and post some graphs later if I can figure out the screen grab.

Analysing 5 years data from 2001-2005 on Joe Buchdahl’s excellent Tennis Data site (a must if you are interested in tennis betting) showed that the bookmaker’s model is on the whole unsurprisingly pretty accurate. Quirks arise however when you start to look at players as individuals rather than as a homogenous mass. Some players tend to for want of a better word “blitz” their opponents when they win. The best example currently playing according to my statistics is Spanish wonder kid Nadal. As a result he is a player that does not fit (at least at present the current bookmakers model). An example should hopefully illustrate the point. Last night he played Richard Mello and went off on Betfair at 1.15. This would equate to a bookmaker’s price of 1.36 to win 2-0. I would actually make him on average 15% better than this price would suggest so a price of around 1.31 would be closer to the fair price. I got matched at 1.48 for 2-0 . Nadal cruised to a 6-1,6-2 win.

Nadal is actually a top 25 player who is currently underpriced in 2-0 set betting. He is one of a minority. Many more “name” players tend to be significantly overpriced when it comes to set betting. Among the top 25 these include Robredo, J.Johansson, Henman and a player who until early 2004 was under rpriced in this market– Andre Agassi. A look at Agassi’s game yesterday versus Bjorkman illustrates his current situation. Agassi started with win odds of a very prohibitive 1.1 on the Big Blue. His 2-0 set win odds were 1.32. My estimates put Agassi at closer to 1.42 to win 2-0 making the 1.32 a definite lay. He eventually overcame a game Bjorkman in 3 sets.

Laying a 1.42 shot at 1.32 would if consistently done be very nice but there is an alternative way to exploit such anomalies in set bet pricing and this is by correct set betting. Like correct score betting in soccer this is simply a non-starter value wise with the High Street Bookies due to the monster overrounds of typically between 20 & 25%. With Betfair and its typically much greater prices on longshots it becomes a viable alternative to laying the correct 2-0 score. Again an example will hopefully be illustrative. This was actually a match that I recommended in my qualifiers thread. Coria played Felix Mantilla in Poland last week starting at 1.12 on the outrights. Coria for all his prowess is a player that would have lost you an awful lot of money if you were backing him in correct score games even on his favorite clay surface. I recommended laying him outright or laying his 2-0 sets. He eventually won a very tight game 2-1. Unfortunately due to time constraints I couldn’t actually get on the score lay. I did however notice the fact that the correct 2-1 score was a whopping 8 to 1 on Betfair. The best price on the bookies was 6s which was pretty close to how I priced the match. Betfair’s tighter margins had made this a value bet. The Agassi-Bjorkman match yesterday priced Agassi 2-1 at 7.8! I made this a maximum of 5.5.

So far so longwinded! The question is can a profit be turned with selective correct score lays and / or correct score bets? Without going too far into my methods I believe it can. I have rated the current top 100 players on the ATP circuit with a set rating system that hopefully can be used to :

(1) Identify players where their correct score 2-0 odds indicate a back bet ;
(2) Identify players where their correct score 2-0 odds indicate a lay bet ;
(3) Identify players where a correct score 2-1 bet is value ;

Certain players might fit into both categories. For example in yesterday’s match Agassi would have fitted into category 2 (a correct 2-0 score lay) and also category 3 (a correct score 2-1 bet).

I will add a list here of players who fit into each category. Within the categories the players will be ranked in descending order into high value and medium value for punting purposes. When certain trigger conditions come into play I will back or lay the correct score bet accordingly. The list itself will change as the ratings change.

Staking will be for simplicity’s sake be fixed amounts rather than my usual fixed profits. Starting bank will be 100 Units.

I will put the full list up tonight.

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For now a few for later today.

Back Nadal vs Grosjean 2-0 2.50 Units @ 1.75
Lay Ancic vs Ruesdksi 2-0 to win 1.50 Units @ 2.60 (2.53 Units Risked)
Lay Robredo 2-0 vs Gaudio to win 1 Unit @ 3.7 (2.84 Units Risked)
Back Davydenko vs Beck 2-0 2.00 Units @ 2.32
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Really interesting thread, mate. It really sounds good as a tennis betting strategy.
1.48 for the 2-0 Nadal victory yesterday was really huge. I have to open also a betfair account, if these are the kind of odds you can find there.
I will follow this thread very close and I like your courrent selection.
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Interesting CJ...all the best with it
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

One thing that I should mention about this strategy is that bar the latter stages of the bigger tournaments and live matches that liquidity for correct score betting can be very low on these matches – at this moment the Rusedski – Ancic match has 85,000 Euro matched on the outright but only 4,000 on the correct score. Margins are excellent at 103% and it will probably even contract a bit.
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Some decent results yesterday. Nothing on tonight.

Back Nadal vs Grosjean 2-0 2.50 Units @ 1.75 +1.78 Units
Lay to Win 1.50 Units Ancic vs Ruesdksi 2-0 @ 2.60 +1.50 Units
Lay to Win 1 Unit Robredo 2-0 vs Gaudio @ 3.7 +1.00 Units
Back Davydenko vs Beck 2-0 2.00 Units @ 2.32 – 2.00 Units

Staked 9.87 Units
Return 12.15 Units
Profit + 2.28 Units
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Agassi plays Nadal in the Montreal final today. Having already in the opening about the system mentioned that Nadal is one of the blitz players and Agassi currently not one it would seem strange to not recommend backing Nadal at 2.24 to win 2-0. That's exactly what I'm going to do .

Rather than lay Nadal at around 2.24 I'm going to back both him and Agassi to win 2-1 with a slightly more aggressive strategy. Big value especially on Agassi's price. I make him around 4.8 to win 2-1. Both prices on Betfair

Agassi to win 2-1 @ 6.0 - 0.50 Units
Nadal to win 2-1 @ 4.2 - 0.75 Units
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Agassi makes a game of it with a fine second set win but can't follow up in the third. Nadal wins his first major hardcourt event and his eighth of the year with an extremely powerful performance

Agassi to win 2-1 @ 6.0 - 0.50 Units -0.50 Units
Nadal to win 2-1 @ 4.2 - 0.75 Units +2.28 Units

Staked 11.12 Units
Return 15.18 Units
Profit + 4.06 Units

Lots of bets look on the cards for tomorrow with the Cincinatti Masters starting
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

I’d make Henman a best priced 2.50 to win 2-0 today. Massu has always pushed him very hard and a lay less than evens looks big value :yikes .

The Belgian pocket rocket Olivier Rochus is another player that tends to make a meal of winning his games. I’d make him around 1.80 to win 2-0. Volandri is improving on the hardcourts and could make a game of it. A small bet on Rochis to win 2-1 as well.

Ancic I’d make around 1.83 to see of Mello in straight sets so a nice bit of value in him at 1.96. Waiting to get matched on a number of matches this afternoon and tonight involving Nalbandian and Coria.

Lay Henman 2-0 vs Massu @ 1.94 (2 Units risked to win 2.02 Units)
Lay Rochus 2-0 vs Volandri1 @ 1.7 (1.5 Units Risked to win to win 2.04 Units)
Rochus to beat Volandri 2-0 0.75 Units @ 5.00
Back Ancic vs Mello 2.50 Units @ 1.96
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

CJ,

An enlightening first post backed up with excellent results. What more could one ask for? Thanks for posting and good luck!

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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Sure is...and a very promising start.

Welcome to TDP Peter/soccer-systems You got any for us?
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Thanks but I wouldn’t get too excited just yet . Very early days.

Nalbandian looks too short versus Pavel to win 2-0. I’d make him around 1.91 here.

I’d actually make Karol Beck a slight favorite over an in decline Novak which makes Novak’s 2-0 set price around 4.05. Novak along with Jurgen Melzer is the player who has my single worst straight set win rateing. Not much liquidity in the set betting.

Lay Nalbandian 1.75 Units @ 1.75 (To Win 2.22 Units)
Lay Novak 2-0 vs Beck 1.50 Units @ 3.25 (To Win 0.63 Units)
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Some good results last night. Especially proud of the Novak lay. He ended up losing in straight sets and is a player to be opposed in future especially at short and odds on.

Lay 2.00 Units Henman 2-0 vs Massu @ 1.94 –2.00
Lay 1.50 Units Rochus 2-0 vs Volandri1 @ 1.7 +2.04
Rochus to beat Volandri 2-0 0.75 Units @ 5.00 +2.85
Back Ancic vs Mello 2.50 Units @ 1.96 +2.28 Units
Lay Nalbandian 2-0 1.75 Units @ 1.75 –1.75 Units
Lay Novak 2-0 vs Beck 1.50 Units @ 3.25 +0.63 Units

Staked 21.12 Units
Return 29.23 Units
Profit + 8.11 Units

Unfortunately spent so much time losing money at poker last night that I didn’t get around to looking at today’s ratings so nothing today unfortunately. Lesson there for me perhaps
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Busy last week so no time for posting any bets. A weakish field contests this weeks event in New Haven.

Sanguinetti vs Monaco

Lay Sanguinetti 2-0 vs Kim @ 3.1 (2Units risked)

Kim a tough prospect on US hardcourt at this level and he should give the Italian veteran a good run around. Sanguinnetti should be closer to 3.8 to win 2-0 according to my calculations which makes him a big value lay at current prices.

Andreev vs Monaco

Andreev to beat Monaco 2-1 1 Unit @ 4.5
Moncao to beat Andreev 2-1 0.75 Unit @ 5.6

They’ve met twice this year (both times on clay) with honours even and both games going to a third set. Andreev is shorter priced now than he was in either of those two matches which is probably a reflection of his better hardcourt play but I’d still make him too short for this to be a straightforward win. I’m going for a bolder strategy of 2 correct set bets rather than a straight lay of is 2-0 set win (which is incidentally still priced too short IMO).
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Monaco and Kim lose in straight sets with Kim manageing a tie break but that’s about it .

C.Saulnier vs S.Wawrinka

Just got matched on a lay here. Wawrinka is a decent claycourter but for me doesn’t convince on hardcourt yet. Saulnier is in a bit of a slump recently but has decent hardcourt pedigree taking Henman, Hewitt, J.Johannson to a third set in the last year. He also got to the final of the San Jose open this year beating some useful opposition. He could well lose this but I expect him to at least get a set here.

Lay Wawrinka 2-0 vs Saulnier 2 Units Risked
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Re: A Tennis Set Betting Model

Lay Sanguinetti 2-0 vs Kim @ 3.1 (2 Units Risked) –2 Units
Andreev to beat Monaco 2-1 1 Unit @ 4.5 –1 Unit
Moncao to beat Andreev 2-1 0.75 Unit @ 5.6 –0.75 Units
Lay Wawrinka 2-0 vs Saulnier @ 2.84 (2 Units Risked) +1.03 Units

Staked 26.87 Units
Return 32.26 Units
Profit + 5.39 Units

Gimelstob vs Garcia Lopez Tomorrow 00.30 hrs

Gimelstob a useful hardcourt player at Challenger level is a small dog outright on this (2.38 vs Lopez’s 1.71). This looks long given that bar a high profile victory over Moya at the OZ open Lopez hasn’t much better pedigree than Gimelstob and has played very little hardcourt this year. Gimelstob should have enough to nick a set here.

Lay Garcia Lopez 2-0 vs Gimlestob @ 2.84 (2 Units Risked)
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