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Old 02-04-2007, 20:25
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Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

For the last few seasons I have, at various times, tried different systems based on teams being on winning/losing streaks and them either continuing or stopping etc. Generally I would give up after a month or so at somewhere around break-even. Now, maybe this is because such a system is only viable when used as a starting point to then study the individual games to decide which, if any, to bet on - I say balls to that I hate studying

So, I tested a few ideas last year and then paper-tested for the last 2 months of the season and there were some promising results. I packed it all away for the winter, but I have now dusted it down and ready to set it loose on the new season.

The problem with betting on every team on a streak, whatever your definition of a streak, is that you will always bet on that team until the streak stops, ie you know for certain that you are going to betting on a lot of losers. This made me think of my financial trading and the old saying that the safest most reliable way to make money is to catch the middle 50-60% of any trend(a streak is no more than a trend after all). The 1st 20% can be costly because so many trends will fail in this early time-frame that you will be having vastly more losing trades than winners.

The last 20% or so can be dangerous because greed takes over and also because you obviously never actually know when the trend will end. So, people hang on long after they should have sold, hoping that the trend will resume anytime soon and everyday giving back more of their profits, or worse.
So, in baseball terms I wanted to find what was the most common length of winning/losing streaks and try and concentrate on betting on a few games around this point instead of hoping to catch that team that wins 16 in a row.
This eventually led me to come up with the following parameters for betting: -

1. teams on a 3 or 4 game losing streak playing teams on, at best, a 2 game winning streak, or at worst, a 2 game losing streak
2. teams on a 3 or 4 game winning streak playing teams on, at best, a 2 game winning streak, or at worst, a 2 game losing streak
3. teams on a 3,4 or 5 game losing streak playing teams on at least a 3 game winning streak

I used these for the paper tests for the last 2 months of the season and the results were small to moderate profit and yield - ok, but nothing too take forward into next year. Closer analysis found something, that I guess shouldn't have been too surprising - teams at odds against produced far more losers. Far more than they should have done really and as I looked further I could see that there was a cut-off point around 1.85-1.95 - above that there were far, far more losers than winners.

So, now I had a filter for the system - I would only bet on teams whose odds were below 1.9 (the odds I used were the average odds from Betbrain for around 20-25 bookies).

Of course there is only data from around 120 games used for this analysis, which is not enough to be accurate. Plus the last month of the season could be said to be a different beast because of the effects of the larger rosters and teams trying out youngsters. However, I am going to give it a go as it's something to fill the hours of day

I have gone on a bit here, so I will summarise the system in a separate post.
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Old 02-04-2007, 20:48
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

Jesus, I fuckin' waffle on sometimes

So, to save you from reading through all that crap above the system is based on winning/losing streaks continuing and so I will obviously be betting on the opponents of teams on losing streaks.

Criteria: -

Average Betbrain odds no higher than 1.9

Teams on a 3 or 4 game winning/losing streak - 1pt bet

Teams on a 3,4 or 5 game losing streak against teams on a 3,4 or 5 game winning streak - 2pt bet

Teams on winning/losing streaks playing each other will be ignored.

Bank of 100pts to start with.



Although the average odds must be lower than 1.9, I will be taking the best odds I can and so I may sometimes bet @ odds above this.

In my paper-test period there were very few 5 game win streaks, so I am going to try and paper-test the results for these with a view to adding them later if viable.

That's it then and let's hope I'm still doing this in 6 months time when the season ends
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Old 02-04-2007, 20:53
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

You've got me interested pydoom .
I will "need " something to bet on as the season finishes.
It is against the principles of of sensible betting to consider betting on a sport I know very little about .

I have a recollection of you mentioning the losing/winning streaks , where in your journey round the world thread or the stats one?
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Old 02-04-2007, 21:40
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

I think it may have seeped in to my world-wide journey journal because that was when I was working on it. I am always confident before I start a new system, but in hindsight it is often misplaced. This time I feel I have actually put the work in and it is a quiet kind of confidence, although I am not sure I would recommend anyone follow me for the the first 4-6 weeks as it is probably going to be a bumpy ride.

If you want to take a look at the Excel Spreadsheet of the results from the last 2 months of the season I can send you the file.

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Old 03-04-2007, 20:15
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

no need for that excel file mate

Is there anything I can do that would be of help to you in the analysis of the data?

I spent a few weeks in Inianapolis with a mate and his American wife, whilst he was working in the mornings I used to read the sport news , looking hopefully for British sport news . The papers were full of baseball information which did not make much sense to me.

I did go to see the Pacers playing the Heat in a basketball match and my mate's wife was amazed that I could place a bet on the match with bet365 as it was not allowed there.

My mate is interested in sport but not in betting .The baseball season was just starting whilst I was there and the local side was playing away.

So if I can be of help just ask.
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Old 05-04-2007, 09:57
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

Cheers traeth, I should be alright though.

Well 4 sweeps so far in the opening series which does mean 8 potential games. Probably, not a good idea to start straight away, but what the hell.

Actually only 1 game tonight that qualifies.

la angels(W3) v oakland

Bet 1 angels @ 1.76 (mansion) - 1 pt

There were only a handful of prices up on betbrain when I looked, but the average is obviously going to be well below the cut-off. I am not sure whether it's going to best to take the early prices in the morning or wait till most of the books are out. So, I will try and take a look later to see if any better prices are around and I should be able to get an idea.

If anyone is reading this and they later see a better price than the one I have recorded please post it in here with the bookie's name and time seen
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Old 05-04-2007, 17:11
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

Actually I want to also record the results of a level profits staking method as well, for comparison.

Bet 1a angels @ 1.76 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.32 pts staked)
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

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Bet 1 angels @ 1.76 (mansion) - 1 pt
[Bet 1a angels @ 1.76 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.32 pts staked)]
So, a loser to start with. I'll only update the bank after 10 bets or so, or maybe once a week.

9 teams on streaks of 3 games, if you can call them that after only 3 games played. However, 4 of the teams are playing each other (houston/st louis & atlanta/mets) and thus are ineligible and the average odds are too high with 3 of the others (minnesota, florida & pittsburgh). So, todays bets are.

Bet 2 boston @ 1.91 (expekt) - 1 pt (texas L3)
[Bet 2a boston @ 1.91 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.1 pts staked)]

Bet 3 yankees @ 1.463 (pinnacle) - 1 pt (baltimore L3)
[Bet 3a yankees @ 1.463 - 2.16 pts]

I am going to keep a seprate record of these bets with average odds over 1.9 and also of teams on streaks of 5 games or more to see if any refinements can be brought in at a later date.
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

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Bet 2 boston @ 1.91 (expekt) - 1 pt (texas L3 )
[Bet 2a boston @ 1.91 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.1 pts staked)]

Bet 3 yankees @ 1.463 (pinnacle) - 1 pt (baltimore L3)
[Bet 3a yankees @ 1.463 - 2.16 pts]
Well 2 more losers and it's shaping up well as a streak-stopping system

It was really not a good idea to actually start backing these after just a few days of the season, so I will not be backing anything with real money until we are a few weeks into the season.

Be back later with todays qualifying games.
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

Well the average odds on ny mets, minnesota, st louis & colorado are all too high and so there are no qualifying bets today, although I am still recording the results of these separately.
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

Bet 4 cincinnati @ 1.94 (bet365) - 1 pt (cincinnati W3)
Bet 4a cincinnati @ 1.94 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.06 pts staked)

Bet 5 arizona @ 1.78 (mansion) - 2 pts (arizona W3 / washington L3)
Bet 5a arizona @ 1.78 - 2.56 pts staked

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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

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Bet 4 cincinnati @ 1.94 (bet365) - 1 pt (cincinnati W3)
Bet 4a cincinnati @ 1.94 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.06 pts staked)

Bet 5 arizona @ 1.78 (mansion) - 2 pts (arizona W3 / washington L3)
Bet 5a arizona @ 1.78 - 2.56 pts staked
Well a winner at last and I'm not surprised it was a 'double streak' game because these were by far the strongest in the sample last season.

RECORD 1-4

BANK A(fixed stake): 97.56 pts (6pts staked) 2.44 pts loss

BANK B(fixed profit): 96.36 pts (8.2 pts staked) 3.64 pts loss
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

3 qualify today, although the arizona one is very borderline with the average odds being bang on 1.9 at the moment.

Bet 6 arizona @ 1.95 (betway) - 1 pt (arizona W4)
Bet 6a arizona @ 1.95 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.05 pts staked)

Bet 7 la dodgers @ 1.685 (pinnacle) - 1 pt (dodgers W4)
Bet 7a la dodgers @ 1.685 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.46 pts staked)

Bet 8 san diego @ 1.794 (pinnacle) - 1 pt (san francisco L3)
Bet 8a san diego @ 1.794 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.26 pts staked)
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

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Bet 6 arizona @ 1.95 (betway) - 1 pt (arizona W4)
Bet 6a arizona @ 1.95 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.05 pts staked)

Bet 7 la dodgers @ 1.685 (pinnacle) - 1 pt (dodgers W4)
Bet 7a la dodgers @ 1.685 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.46 pts staked)

Bet 8 san diego @ 1.794 (pinnacle) - 1 pt (san francisco L3)
Bet 8a san diego @ 1.794 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.26 pts staked)
For today there are 4 qualifying bets + a possible 5th once the line comes out for the milwaukee-florida game.

Bet 9 atlanta @ 1.42 (mansion) - 1 pt (washington L4)
Bet 9a atlanta @ 1.42 - to win 1 pt (ie 2.38 pts staked)

Bet 10 texas @ 1.71 (pinnacle) - 1 pt (tampa bay L3)
Bet 10a texas @ 1.71 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.41 pts staked)

Bet 11 toronto @ 1.74 (william hill) - 2 pts (toronto W3, kansas city L3)
Bet 11a toronto @ 1.74 - to win 2 pts (ie 2.7 pts staked)

Bet 12 san diego @ 1.81 (pinnacle) - 2 pts (san diego W3, san francisco L4)
Bet 12a san diego @ 1.81 - to win 2 pts (ie 2.47 pts staked)

As I said earlier florida may be a pick as well, but no prices out yet.
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Re: Baseball Streaks XXIII: The Final Fight

Bet 13 florida @ 1.83 (mansion) - 1 pt (florida W3)
Bet 13a florida @ 1.83 - to win 1 pt (ie 1.21 pts staked)
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