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Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

Whats peoples thoughts on this?

Do you think Villa can get up there challenging for the title in the next few years?

Ok they dont have the financial power of Chelsea i don't think but they do have a chairman who looks like he will be given Villa a nice transfer kitty each season.

And with O Neil as manager who i think is one of the shrewdest managers around i do think they could be making a charge for the top 4 in the coming seasons.

Maybe im getting a bit too far ahead of myself right now but i would def love to be a Villa fan just now.
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Old 26-09-2006, 19:27
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

You take Pearces first 9 games in charge of city, we actually went unbeaten for something like 15 games but when he took over we had a habit of winning our home games and drawing a lot of our away games much like villa. It wont last, i wished it would and thought it might but the reality is it wont, they'll finish about 8th or 9th probably.
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Old 26-09-2006, 19:32
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

The thing there though Chris is that in Pearce you're talking about a new and inexperienced manager. O'Neill has been around a lot longer.

Not sure he can take them to Chelsea's level, mind you, but I think he can take them to a much higher level than they're currently at.
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Old 26-09-2006, 19:34
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

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The thing there though Chris is that in Pearce you're talking about a new and inexperienced manager. O'Neill has been around a lot longer.
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Yeah i agree.

Also remember the financial backing Villa now have and the lack of financial backing City have at the minute.
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Old 26-09-2006, 19:37
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

True, but still exactly the same pattern emerging as when pearce took over, wether or not there experienced, just the buzz of it all... O'neil didnt exactly put Leicester in the top 6 did he, not saying he should have but saying that he's not this god like figure is he.

No way they can get to chelseas level IMO.
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Old 26-09-2006, 19:40
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

Didnt O'neil also not actually win the scottish title his last season in charge, thats pretty bad for someone who's supposed to be so great.

He's done well in a few cup competitions it seems, dont get me wrong though, think he's a good enough manager, i like the way he comes accross too but he's nothing more than good IMO.
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Old 26-09-2006, 19:43
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

No quite simply. They could become a very good team and get in amongst challenging for Champs Lg etc but I struggle to see how a Chelsea comparison can be made. I cant see all the best players in the world fighting to go to Villa lets put it that way.
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

Your missing the point here though Chris.

At Leicster he was on such a limited budget that to achieve what he did there was pretty damn impressive imo.

He took them as far as he, or anyone else, for that matter could take them.

At Celtic he done great winning several titles and cups. Also remember he took Celtic into the UEFA Cup final against Mourinho's Porto and gave them a hell of a game.

Im not posting this because of the start he has made. Thats irrelevant as things quickly change. I posted this thread as i think he is one of the best managers in the game right now and with the potential backing from the board money wise he will be getting i really do think he could take them up to a very high level.
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No quite simply. They could become a very good team and get in amongst challenging for Champs Lg etc but I struggle to see how a Chelsea comparison can be made. I cant see all the best players in the world fighting to go to Villa lets put it that way.
Ok to get to that level then maybe i did over exagerate a bit but yeah CL and the top couple behind Chelsea is definately a big chance for me.
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Old 26-09-2006, 19:54
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Ok to get to that level then maybe i did over exagerate a bit but yeah CL and the top couple behind Chelsea is definately a big chance for me.
Fair enough, yeah if were talking challenging in the likes of Spurs last season and around there then I would say yeah thats a possible thing. Dont see them as title challengers at all though in years to come.

I agree O Neill is a fine manager but is he well known outside of Britain? Im not a foreign player so I dont know but im guessing no not particularly. Thats one of the big pulling factor things with a club like Chelsea. They got Ruud Gullit in the mid 90s and then Gianluca Vialli soon after, worldwide stars who players wanted to work with.

Another point is location as well. Not sure the big names will want to go and live in the Midlands. Im not saying that in a pisstaking way but again part of the attraction in Chelsea, Arsenal etc is that they are London based.
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

Will be interesting to see what MON does with money in January. He had a bit to spend when he first came to Celtic and his most expensive signings all done good jobs for us - Lennon for £6m, still playing for us at 35, outstanding in the OF game on Saturday and another very good game tonight, also Sutton for £6m, virtually unplayable when at his best in Scotland and Hartson for £6m, loads of goals and again virtually unplayable at the top of his game.

I think any club will struggle to break into the top of the EPL now. Chelsea have bucketloads of money and the players in now, Man Utd are huge worldwide, have money and the "attraction" of playing for them while Arsenal don't quite have the money but have a great manager and great playing style. Liverpool I still think are just that one small level below these 3, even after winning the CL, but are the closest anyone will get to breaking into the big 3. Its almost a big 4 really.

I think the best that Villa can hope for is to become a Spurs, Newcastle type side who have pretensions of joining these sides, sometimes threaten to do so but will struggle to finish ahead of these 4, and in a CL spot, on a consistant basis.

MON has had a great start, he is a great motivator of teams and gets them believing in themselves but he also has an excellent couple of assistants in Walford and Roberston. Its more a team effort than a lot of people think.

He/they did well at Celtic but his one fault was he didn't replace the players who needed replacing on a more regular basis, stuck with his favourites, which in a way is fair as they had done it for him in the past.

If you look at his league record at Celtic however, there was league titles won by 15 points in the first season, and this was after Rangers had won by approx 15 points the previous season, followed by a 18 points and 2 seasons later, 17 points.

The two seasons we lost the league were by 1 goal on goal difference, we missed a pen in the last game of the season, and 1 point, lost in the last 4 minutes of the last game of the season. He was extremely close to rattling off 5 league titles in a row.

There was also a great European home record, dreadful away, and a UEFA Cup final followed up by a UEFA Cup quarter final the following season, excellent achievements for a Scottish side.

His record at Leicester was also good, two League Cup wins before every EPL side became a snob about the competition and a consistant mid/top half EPL side. The question about well he did there was where were Leicester before he joined and where are they now?

I think overall he will do well and as I said at the start, will be interesting to see what he does with a bit of money available. I have heard stories of Bobo Balde for £4m in January
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

Didnt reply to this earlier as I wanted to think about it first.

Theres no way I can see Villa being directly competing with Chelsea in the next few years tbh. I think that Man Utd & Arsenal were streets ahead of everybody in the 90s coming into this century & Romans money just meant Chelsea caught up the easy way. Liverpool are making the ground up by more conventional means, but its still taking time.
Lerner is worth around £750 million, compared to Romans £11 billion, but that probably does mean that he cares where his money goes more. I wouldnt want to be a Chelsea fan in 5 years time, once theyve won the Champions League & Roman gets bored....who will pay the price he wants when hes had enough ?? He'll run them down IMO, & the good times may be here now but I fear for the future for them.

Lerner will undoubtedly put money in & it will be a decent amount, & MON was by far the best manager available to us....so good I didnt think we stood an earthly tbh But I honestly think hes only using us as a stepping stone & keeping his eye in for Man Utd when fergie goes. He'd been out of football for a year & if he just hung around for Fergie to go & it took 3 years then thats a hell of a long break......I think hes keeping himself in there & took the biggest job available to him at the time to tide him over. Hes already proved hes a superb man manager as the Villa squad, minus Petrov, is the same as last season.
Time will tell but I expect him to be focusing on the UEFA Cup & then maybe next season trying to get that 4th spot, as has been said like Spurs last season

Interesting times though
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But I honestly think hes only using us as a stepping stone & keeping his eye in for Man Utd when fergie goes.
Swoops,

I have always said, much as I think MON is a terrific manager and a hero to me, that he will never get the Man Utd job. His best ever chance, if it was ever a real one, was when JP McManus and Magnier were involved with Utd, Desmond was a mate of theirs and they all seemed to get on well together. If they had pursued a takeover of Utd then he stood a good chance but I can't see it now, there is no "connection" there for him anymore.

I have also always said that he is not a big enough "name" for Man Utd. They are a massive brand, known worldwide and if I am being honest about MON, he isn't. When Ferguson goes I think they will look at a really big name with a big record to replace him, a Capello, Lippi, Hitzfeld etc. I can't see them moving for MON.
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Good, hes staying then I'll go & edit that post
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Re: Can Villa Get To Chelsea's Level?

Unless Villa move to a new stadium the answer is no.

An interesting question is how good will Arsenal now become. Their new ground has an extra 30,000 seats which multiplied by £40 comes to £1.2m extra per game. Add in all the hospitality packages and it could be significantly more. Villa still only have a capacity of 41,000, way behing Man u and Arsenal.
The top 4 only really need the other 16 teams so they can fill their grounds each week with opposition they know they can beat comfortably.
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