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Old 16-01-2007, 12:31
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Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

Liverpool are appealing to FIFA this week, in order to get special dispensation to sign (and play) Javier Mascherano. Some brainless beurocrat decided that as of 1st July each year, professional footballers may only be employed and play for two football clubs. They can go out on-loan to more than 2 though.

Anyway, since Mascherano has already played for Corinthians and West Ham since 01/07/2006, Liverpool are unlikely to sign him in the January window, unless they get special dispensation from FIFA. Seems daft that in an age of free movement and human rights, we would block someone's right to work for more than two employers within a year.

If they do get dispensation to ignore the ruling, it begs the question "whats the point in having it in the first place?"

Infact, what is the point in having it? Can anyone understand why it would have been introduced in the first place?

Seems utterly, utterly pointless.

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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

Well, he was in training with us last week and last night his Argentinian butt cheeks adorned the bench at the Nou Camp - or Camp Nou if you're a c*nt of a commentator.

Its a funny one this. No details as yet to explain what form the deal takes but I have been told its an 18 month loan deal. He is still owned by MSI and presumably they are using us as a means to inflate his transfer value. And for that we get to use this guy for a season and a half - sounds alright to me.

His transfer to West Ham could yet be ruled illegal though and Im not sure where that would leave arl Javier if that was the case. Apparently Premier League rules prehibit the ownership of a player by a third party. So a player has to be owned by a football club. MSI obviously arent a football club and if they DO own him, Im not sure where that would leave the deal.

Seems wierd to me that he was ever actually allowed to sign for the club in the first place, if Premier League rules outlaw that sort of transfer.....
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

A good player based on the World Cup but do Liverpool really need a 3rd "holding" player with Alonso and Sissoko already there. And when one of them is injured there is Gerrard to slot into the centre. If anything this deal pushes Gerrard further into a wide right position on a more permanent basis.
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

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Well, he was in training with us last week and last night his Argentinian butt cheeks adorned the bench at the Nou Camp - or Camp Nou if you're a c*nt of a commentator.
Why a cunt of a commentator? It's the name of the stadium.
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

its always been the Nou Camp over here
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Old 22-02-2007, 08:44
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

You always get some tit like Clive Tyldsley who makes an effort to pronounce foreign names and it always ends up in a complete mess.

It's pronounced "New Camp" and not "Kampfh Naw" as the commentators would have you believe.
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

No, the correct name of it is Camp Nou.

Just because most of Britain thinks its called Nou Camp doesn't actually mean it is.
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

That's as may be, still don't think it qualifies the commentator as a cunt to use the correct title though. Plenty of other things that commentators do do that qualify them, but certainly wouldn't say that's one of them.

Can't really see why it's become the Nou Camp anyway - it's not like that means any more to an English listener than Camp Nou. If they wanted it to actually mean something to an English listener, they'd have to change it to New field/pitch, which I think is what it actually means (although I stand to be corrected by any Catalan speakers).

Anyway, sorry, I've taken this thread off-topic. Back to Mascherano...
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

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It's pronounced "New Camp" and not "Kampfh Naw" as the commentators would have you believe.
If people want to anglicise it then really they can pronounce it however the hell they like, I guess, but Clive Tyldsley's effort looks closer to the correct pronunciation than yours - it's pronounced roughly like "Camp Now". As Crowie says, the fact some people call it the Nou Camp doesn't change the fact that the correct title is the Camp Nou - http://www.fcbarcelona.com/eng/histo.../campnou.shtml.

Of course, there are plenty of other reasons why Clive Tyldsley is a cunt, but this isn't one of them.
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

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Anyway, sorry, I've taken this thread off-topic. Back to Mascherano...

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If people want to anglicise it then really they can pronounce it however the hell they like, I guess, but Clive Tyldsley's effort looks closer to the correct pronunciation than yours - it's pronounced roughly like "Camp Now". As Crowie says, the fact some people call it the Nou Camp doesn't change the fact that the correct title is the Camp Nou - http://www.fcbarcelona.com/eng/histo.../campnou.shtml.

Of course, there are plenty of other reasons why Clive Tyldsley is a cunt, but this isn't one of them.
Good to see your dragging this back on topic then RC

I have always pronounced it Now as opposed to New.

Anyway, Macarena......
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

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Good to see your dragging this back on topic then RC

I have always pronounced it Now as opposed to New.

Anyway, Macarena......
In fact the more I think about it, I have probably pronounced it Noo as in "Och aye the noo". But maybe thats cos I am Scottish. Or an arse

Any, Javi Maracana....
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Good to see your dragging this back on topic then RC

I have always pronounced it Now as opposed to New.

Anyway, Macarena......
Sorry, when I started writing post #8, posts 6+7 weren't there, so I then had to reply to them.

Right, Mascherano. Know very little about the deal really, but it all sounds very shady to me, players being owned by companies.
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good solid debut today for the lad
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

I was at Anfield yesterday and he played very well.
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Re: Javier Mascherano to Liverpool ??

Out with the boy Gett's? Cracking day for him

I think Javier Mascherano will be a great signing for us

From http://www.liverpoolfc.tv

Javier Mascherano, Rafa's latest signing, today spoke to liverpoolfc.tv about his desire to prove himself in English football, his debt of gratitude to the boss and how he doesn't regret moving to West Ham in the summer.

Javier, how are you settling in?

Good, good. I'm very happy here and things are going great so far. All the players have been helping me to settle in, which is nice to see. They've all been welcoming, which has made my transition to Liverpool really easy. The fact we had some time away last week was great. I think it was a good exercise for everyone. It certainly helped me to bond with my teammates.

How frustrating have the last few weeks been; first of all waiting for FIFA to give the okay, then the Premier League?

It has been extremely frustrating. I've been waiting for ages for my move to happen, so when I heard that everything was okay, it was a great relief. My family has been backing me up all the way, and along with the backroom staff here at the club, they have helped me through.

Has it been hard to keep yourself motivated to train?

I wouldn't say that. The fact that I'm here at such a great club like Liverpool has spurred me on. I have really felt part of everything. The players and the backroom staff have made me feel like I'm an integral part of the squad.

When did you first hear of Rafa's interest in you?

It was quite a while ago now – I'd say maybe two or three months ago. It was a massive surprise to tell you the truth, but a pleasant one. One minute I was not getting a game at a team who were struggling at the bottom of the Premiership, the next minute people were talking about me going to one of the top clubs in the country. There were rumours going round, but then I spoke with Rafa and he told me he might be able to get me up here playing for Liverpool.

How grateful are you to him for this opportunity?

Yes, I'm incredibly grateful to the boss. It really wasn't happening for me down at West Ham. Rafa has offered me an amazing opportunity, a great career move and one which I intend not to waste.

Did you ever think about turning your back on English football?

Maybe there were times when I was at West Ham not getting a game when I thought, yes, I might have to leave English football to play somewhere else. But once Rafa showed an interest those thoughts were gone. I knew I wanted to stay and make a go of things in this country.

Have you ever regretted coming to England?

No. The fact I was getting overlooked at West Ham was a bit of an unpleasant experience, but I really think this has helped me to develop as a person. It's in the most difficult periods of your life that you really start to learn things. Anyway, that's all in the past now.



Was your time in London the worst period of your life?

The thing is, I came over here with hopes of playing football on a regular basis and it didn't work out like that. It was a tough period, but I never allowed myself to go too far down. I tried to get stuck in at training and keep the belief that my football was okay. I got occasional games, so I was involved. I always lived in hope that things would work out.

Why do you think things didn't work out for you at West Ham?

First of all, I have to take some of the responsibility myself. I clearly didn't play sufficiently well to warrant a place in the team. The backroom staff obviously didn't think I was worth it. I didn't play a great deal, but I have to take my share of the blame.

There's a lot of good midfielders already at this club – what do you offer?

It's important to have lots of quality players – I'm part of the squad. I don't like to blow my own trumpet. If I had to describe my style of play I'd say that I like to be involved, I'm defensive minded and I'm a ball player. I just want to show what I'm capable of now.

Do you see yourself as offering something different to Xabi, Stevie and Momo?

They're all great players. It would be disrespectful of me to start saying I have qualities that they don't!

Are you confident you can adapt to the English game?

Yes. I'll try to do my best. I've already had a few months at West Ham, so I know the game is more physical over here. It's also a lot quicker, but my experience has also given me the belief that I can adapt and be a success in English football. I can handle it.

What has Rafa told you about your role at the club?

He hasn't spoken to me about when or how often I'll play. Rafa is the boss and I'll play when he says.

Have you been to any games at Anfield?

No, not yet. It's something I'm looking forward to, though.

Are you excited about playing in front of the Kop?

Yes, of course. Everybody has told me it's a fantastic experience.

Do you feel you have something to prove?

In a way. I've really got to repay the faith that has been shown in me.

Do you see this as a long-term move?

Yes, I want to be at this club for a long time.

Moving on, have you had much chance to explore Liverpool yet?

Not really I'm afraid.

There's a new Argentinian restaurant in town – are you, Paletta and Insua going to check it out at some stage?

[Laughs] Yes, we will – when we get some time!
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