Whatever Happened To.....

[zonker84]

Originally Posted by ONEDUNME

I remember thinking that Arthur Cox must have taken him there.

This would indicate to me that Cox had the final (and only) say in the matter?

Originally Posted by ONEDUNME

The only other explanation is that Im wrong and that would be ridiculous

As for that statement, well I can't think of too many ways to make yourself look like a twat more

[ONEDUNME]

Well you seem to have managed to find one

I don't see how "I remember thinking that Arthur Cox must have taken him there." in any way suggests that Cox was the Newcastle Manager and, in all honesty, I don't really think that you do either.

You're clutching at straws mate.

What I meant was that he "took the player" from Derby to Newcastle. By which I meant, he'd recommended him to Newcastle and suggested that they buy him from Derby.

Despite your assertion that this can't possibly happen, it's exactly what happened with the signing of Paul Kitson so stop being a twat.

[zonker84]

You're implying that Cox took the decision to sign Tommy Johnson, not that he ever signed for Newcastle anyway If you say "so and so took this player to a club", people aren't going to think "oh yeah, that must be the coach that decided that then". It's a natural assumption to make that the manager decides which players are signed by a club. Maybe that's just me, but you probably have your own little world ODM

I also find it hard to believe that Cox suddenly said to Kevin Keegan one day "Guess what? We're signing Paul Kitson today", without Keegan wanting to in the first place. I remember the Kitson deal, as Sir John Hall kept going on about his wife signing him (no mention of Arthur Cox ) . You can't tell me that Keegan would have signed him if he didn't want to, just because Cox said so. In that case, they might as well have re-appointed Arthur Cox as manager.

Anyway, what you meant, implied, didn't imply or whatever, doesn't change the fact that you were totally and utterly wrong about Tommy Johnson ever playing for Newcastle. You probably knew you were anyway, but trying to pick holes in what I'm saying, doesn't change that fact If anyone is clutching at straws, it's you.

[ONEDUNME]

There's just so much that's wrong about that, I haven't even got time to reply but let me just check something. Are you saying that I thought Arthur Cox was Manager of Newcastle at the time because that's what you seem to be saying

I'll be back tomorrow but just for a record, I thought you were a decent enough bloke before today and not a complete fuckin arsehole.

Looks like Tommy Johnson's not the only thing I've been wrong about today.

[zonker84]

Originally Posted by ONEDUNME

Are you saying that I thought Arthur Cox was Manager of Newcastle at the time because that's what you seem to be saying

No, I knew you probably didn't mean that. What I meant is that you seemed to be implying that, and someone who wasn't aware of the dates that Cox was manager could've been led into thinking that.

Originally Posted by ONEDUNME

I'll be back tomorrow but just for a record, I thought you were a decent enough bloke before today and not a complete fuckin arsehole.

Looks like Tommy Johnson's not the only thing I've been wrong about today.

Looks like I made the same mistake? I don't know where that comment came from as I certainly didn't expect it, but if you can't take a bit of light-hearted banter without getting abusive, you're the one with the problem not me.

What's the statement about being able to take it as well as give it? Oh well, never mind, no skin off my nose

[ONEDUNME]

Right I've got a bit of time now so here goes.

1. Read this line
"The only other explanation is that Im wrong and that would be ridiculous"

I'd expect any reasonable person with an IQ of over four and a half to see that this was a joke. A joke at my own expense if you like. I'm not quite sure how you missed that fact but you appear to have managed it.


2. Then you go on to start burbling on about 1984 for some reason. We're talking about a player in the 90's and you're saying Cox can't have taken him to Newcastle because he wasn't the Manager.

3. This is the funniest bit.
You say "Cox would not have taken the decision to take him there if he was anything other than the manager. Keegan would've taken the decision, and he didn't"

and
"It's a natural assumption to make that the manager decides which players are signed by a club."

and finally
"You can't tell me that Keegan would have signed him if he didn't want to, just because Cox said so."

So only the Manager decides which players to buy and only the Manager signs them. Fine.

Except you then go on to tell us that the Chairman's wife chose to sign Paul Kitson

So, given that I've already admitted that I made a mistake, how about you doing the same eh?

Are we to believe that Kitson was recommended by Mr Cox. A man who's opinion Keagan had so much respect for that he took him with him to Newcastle, Fulham, Man City AND EVEN ENGLAND!

Or are we to believe that the Gaffer's missus saw him on match of the day and made the decision on her own.

And before you dash off to find some quotes from Mr Hall and his wife, consider this. There are some clubs that seem to have natural trading links with each other and seem to transfer players betwen them regularly.Newcastle and Derby do not and I can't, off the top of my head, think of half a dozen players who Newcastle have signed from Derby in the last ten years (again I may be wrong). With this in mind, doesn't it seem a tad coincidental that Mrs Hall should take a shine to a player who had been working with Cox the previous season and decide to buy him?

Go on, make a decision.

[rcgills]

Just to clear up any doubts about Tommy Johnson, he was indeed with the Gills for a couple of seasons. We signed him at the same time as Rod Wallace. They both spent far more time on the injury list than on the pitch, and ended up being known as Wallace and Gromit . Shame, as when he was actually fit, Johnson still looked a class player, and scored some great goals for us too. We ended up offloading him last season, he went to Sheffield United, but don't think he actually played for them, and then went to Scunthorpe. Not sure he's played for them either.

Edit - And another thing - the Gills mascot is a horse called Tommy Trewblu. Rumours are that Tommy Johnson was inside the Tommy Trewblu costume, so the club could at least get some use out of him all the time he was injured

[ONEDUNME]