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Re: Souness

amazed it didn't happen earlier.....never came across as a guy who would be taken to the hearts by the fans...or the players for that matter.

had a few high spots , but too many lows. Injuries are part and parcel of the game, but are also an area that can be said reflects an underlying problem with 'training' or 'attitude'...either of which needs addressing.

I can't think of any time I have seen him smile , or laugh during a match...EVER.

Wears nice gear though...give him that.
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:20
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Zonker, I was surprised he was ever appointed at Newcastle in the first place. I don't really rate him as a manager.
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:24
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Re: Souness

And not before time....

Never has a manager used so many excuses blaming others for his own failings.

Being a Sunderland fan I was actually hoping he would stay - more chance of them going down - but I doubt many Geordies will be shedding a tear.
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:36
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Re: Souness

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Zonker, I was surprised he was ever appointed at Newcastle in the first place. I don't really rate him as a manager.

Totally agree. Blackburn were bottom of the league when he was appointed, and Mark Hughes has said they were in terrible shape.

He claimed injuries were the reason they were doing badly, but if his squad was too small, why pay £8m for Boumsong, £9.5m for Luque, £16m for Owen and £6.5m for Parker? Bolton or Blacburn could've signed their whole squads for that sort of money. Instead of paying £40m for four players, why not sign 10 players so you've got a squad to cover for injuries?

Bad decisions cost him. As a manager he has done pretty poorly wherever he has been, so I've got no sympathy for Souness or Newcastle, who should never have appointed him
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:52
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Souness sacked-sad day for us gamblers They can only improve now and the money making tree that was known as backing against Newcastle make not be quite as fruitful anymore.

Still nevermind, we've still got that other gushing fountain of wealth called opposing Arsenal to keep us going for a while.
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:55
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Re: Souness

Agree with whats been said and i am surprised it didn't happen sooner rather than later. Their performances have just been absolute dire, even when picking up results.

Be interesting to see who they line up for manager as the fans aren't going to accept another stop gap like Souness was. Been thinking possibly Hiddink could be possible if he was to be allowed to handle both this and the England job?

Whoever does come in there is no doubting the quality they are going to have at their disposal as there are some very very good players there that with the right management can take this club places.
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one of my favourite utterances from the Man himself followed the defeat at Liverpool.

26th Dec 2005:Liverpool vs Newcastle 2-0 :

now just to set the scene properly...Newcastle had entered Dec off the back of

Oct run of P5( 4 away/1 home): 3-1-1 with 3 clean sheets , and 7 goals scored...( 4 EPL, 1 Cup)

followed by

a Nov of P4 ( 3away/1home): 1-0-3 with the last 3 all being lost and no goals scored.

So they had gone a 9 game run , (with 7 AWAY!!...and 2-1-4 from those 7), and were now heading into the packed Xmas fixture list...5 games in total..first 2 @ home then 3 straight aways (again!)

results:
1-1 Aston Villa ( Barry missed a penalty in the 89thmin)
1-0 Arsenal ( trumpets and party time)
West Ham 2-4...Owen hat-trick , everyone well chuffed..7 pts from 9..excellent

now at this point you'd expect life on the Tyne to be good, club is on the up, and points on the board...beating Arsenal then knocking 4 past a tricky West Ham..a rhythm is establishing itself....got Liverpool 'away' next ( been away to Japan in the World Club Cup, or summit like that)...and Owen has a chance to shine against his old club etc.., but overall a manager should have a finger on the pulse of his squad and know they are ready and able to put up a fight, pose a threat at least....wrong!

Liverpool 2-0...never in the game..Bowyer Red carded.....didn't ever look like threatening the Liverpool goalmouth, very disappointing show....

what does Souey say??:

'Our game plan didn't work and we were hoping, just maybe, that they would have a reaction to all the travelling they'd done to Japan and back. But it didn't happen."

What game plan could be that shite, that it was somehow dependent on the possible 'fatigue' of their opponents?:loon

...they were going into the match on what should have been a 'high'!!....and his analysis was basically....

"the buggers weren't tired like I thought they would be....who could've known that??...easy mistake..surely??"

Such nonsense I haven't heard in years...relying on 'external' factors ..rather than use the quality and fine form of your squad to take the game...that's what he said as far as I am concerned.

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Old 02-02-2006, 13:14
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Agree with whats been said and i am surprised it didn't happen sooner rather than later. Their performances have just been absolute dire, even when picking up results.
Interesting thread here:

http://www.thedailypunt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5579


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Id quite like to see Man Utd in the Uefa Cup - seem's rather unthinkable doesn't it.

League wise i reckon they will finish behind Arsenal and Chelsea for sure and i really do have a fancy for Newcastle to start soaring up that table too and i wouldnt be surprised to see them overtake United

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They can laugh all they like Zonks.

I am pretty confident about it. With their players coming back now we will finally see the Newcastle team i expect that will be very competitive and do some good things.

No europe to worry about either as a distraction with them looking solely to the league.

Only 5 points behind 3rd too Zonks and thats after the awful start they have supposadly had but it doesnt seem to bad now and with a good opportunity for 3 more points against Birmingham at home at the weekend

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I agree about the defence but the good thing for Newcastle is that the goals they have let in have mainly been because of errors, particularly Boumsong so take that out and you have a steady defence

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But I just wonder, how many games can they afford to lose before they are forced into sacking him? Maybe install Glenn Roeder as Caretaker or something?
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Re: Souness

@ Zonks

Hey, i hold my hands up. With a more appropriate manager in charge then they would've definately gone very well.

I did say "with all their players coming back" mind which never did happen but when your wrong your wrong.

I bet you've had that thread saved under your favourites too for months haven't you you cnut
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There have been plenty of comments about him being unlucky with injuries and that if they got everyone fit they would be a top 6 side. Question I have been asking over the last few weeks is - would they? I don't think so.

Look at the best side

Given - a plus point, probably in top 4 keepers in the EPL, one of their top 3 or 4 players.

Carr - was a decent player at Spurs a few years ago but being honest, no more than an average full back nowadays.

Boumsong - Souness paid well over the odds at £8.5m for him. Looked good for 6 months in a decent Rangers side but has looked dreadful from the start of his EPL career. That's probably due to the gap between Scotland and England more than his ability. Re-sale value would be £2m tops.

Taylor - Has potential, committed, could be a decent player, still to early to judge. Won't be the difference between challenging for the CL and mid table medicority though.

or

Bramble - no centre half in the EPL should never miss trying to kick the ball as often as he does. Think its practically one a game. A disaster zone who affects the rest of the defence, no wonder Boumsong looks so jittery. The two together are just abysmal.

Babayaro - never rated him. Had potential when he was 18 but a no more than average defender at best.


Solano - was great at Newcastle first time around, good engine, good set piece delivery, fitted well into a decent attacking outfit, shouldn't have been sold. Now, I think he is slightly over the hill and past his best. Again no more than average.

Parker - probably been Newcastle's best player this season but was about 6th choice at Chelsea for a midfield spot. Thats the difference. Newcastle only had to fight of Everton to buy him, no one else was that interested in going for him.

Emre - another who had great potential as a youngster but has never really followed it through. Looks good in flashes but his lack of consistency is the thing thats probably hindered his career really taking off.

Luque - hard to judge as he has missed lots of the season through injury. Hasn't impressed when he has played though

or

N'Zogbia - some decent performances but again, not in anyway top class.


Shearer - without pace beside him (Bellamy, Owen) is more a hinderance as when he is the main attacking threat he is far too easily handled nowadays. Can produce the odd performance (Arsenal at home) of the old powerhouse Shearer but one season too many IMO.

Owen - along with Given the one other top class player in the team. How long will he stay?


That IMO is the best line up. Yes, a lot have been injured but out of that team only Given and Owen can really claim to be top class nowadays. Shearer undoubtably was but isn't any longer. So 2 players from 11, when the best 11 are on the pitch. Does that make them a CL challenger, up alongside Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool. Never!

The rest of the squad is also poor in relation to other teams squad players.

Young Ramage has potential but as per Taylor, not the difference to make the CL challengers.

Elliot and Clark were half decent in their prime and to be honest, should be no where near the EPL nowadays.

Dyer is never fit but has not produced more than a handful of decent performances in 2/3 seasons.

Bowyer has went from potentially being one of the best young attacking/box to box midfield players to a shadow of that type of player.

Ameobi

Chopra - Barnsley was about his level.


In summary, no where near the first 11 or squad to challenge in the EPL. Owen apart you would be lucky to get more than £12m for the other 10 players on todays transfer market. The squad is full of 25+ players who were potentially good when they were younger but haven't followed their potential through. A good side can carry one or two of those types of player, usually as squad players, but when they form the basis of your team/squad, you are in trouble.
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@ Zonks

I did say "with all their players coming back" mind which never did happen but when your wrong your wrong.
I refer you to my post above Sir and would suggest that this statement is, dare I say it, piiiiiish!!!
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He had to go today as they have a home game against Portsmouth on Saturday!

Imagine the stick he would have got!!
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Re: Souness

Crowie, couldnt agree more about the squad. I am sick of hearing how he has been plagued with injuries.

He spent around £50 million and didnt build a big enough squad or a good enough one to withstand the demands of the season. The fact that he bought 3 big name big money players was his choice. This left him with no cash to spend on other areas and thats why he failed. Not enough strength in depth.

If he had bought 10 good players in all areas, rather than the ones they did buy in, maybe they could have made a better fist of it.

Newcastle are fucked. Mass exodus of players in the summer and no European football next year either
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