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Re: Wimbledon 2006

Sorry guys but I have a stupid question which is about my bad english!

"Lay" means to bet on something or not to bet???

TO BET OR NOT TO BET???? Nice...

(P.S. I also know the meaning of "get laid" but that's another thing isn't it? )
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lay means it wont happen.

today im laying murray.....so basically im backing the other chap.

people use laying a lot more in football, i.e chelsea - bolton....if you lay bolton you are saying chelsea will win or draw.
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Re: Wimbledon 2006

There's something I don't get here though. I understand the point of laying in football, where there are three possible results, and all you're saying is that one of them won't happen. In tennis though, there are only two possible results. What's the difference between backing player A and laying player B?
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What's the difference between backing player A and laying player B?
You'll often find slightly better value on the lay side if the book is not making up very close to 100%.

Also sometimes with the heavy odds against shouts (say Gimelstob playing Ljubcic today) there might be plenty to lay Ljube at 1.23 but very little to back Gimelstob at 5.2 so to back the underdog you have no choice but to lay the favorite. It is of course the same price in that case but you can get more on.
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Thnx guys!
It's not only a betting site this one but an English teaching site also!
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Well depends on the prices on betfair. If the market is very very tight there will be no difference, but if the overround is a couple of percent it has to made on one player and there will be a difference. Also it depends if you are trying to lay at the current back price or the first available lay price. Example.....



The Ljubicic - Gimelsto match on betfair


Ljubicic best price is 1.29 , available to lay at 1.30
Gimelsto best price is 4.30, available to lay at 4.40

Now that market is 100.8%, hence only a 0.8% overround so any difference will be slight but it will still be there. OK lets say you got £100 and you want to back Ljubicic. You can do this by either backing him or laying Gimelsto.


OK so stick £100 on at 1.29 and it should be pretty obvious your profit would be £29.

OK now lets try laying at 4.4 for a liability of £100.
Your backer stake would be £29.41
So by laying at 4.4 you would get an extra £0.41 rather than backing at 1.29

Ok doesn't sound like much but if you are dealing with large sums of cash it of course makes a difference. Plus doesn't matter how big or small you are backing, everyone wants a better price right ?

Also on a market with a larger overround the difference is much greater.
Example......

The Mirnyi-Blake market

Mirnyi best price 3.15, available to lay at 3.45
Blake best price 1.43, available to lay at 1.44

Now this is 101.7% , a slightly bigger overround.
OK so we want to back Mirnyi and have £100 to do so.

Stick £100 on at 3.15 and our profit would be £215

Lay blake at 1.44 for a liability of £100 and backer stake is £227.27
A difference of £12.27 ! !
That's quite a difference, and obviously you would want to lay at 1.44 rather than back at 3.15


If a market is very very close to 100% ie 100.3% it won't make much difference either way but if there is even a slight overround it has to be made somewhere. Here Mirnyi should be priced slightly higher than 3.15 to make the book closer to 100%


Similar thing happens in football too RC. Say you are laying the home team.
This is exactly the same as takin the away team on asian handicap at plus a half. Now it should be pretty obvious if you are saying laying the home team at evens yet you could take the away team +1/2 at 2.10 you should take the away team on asian handicap. The price on the asian will depend on how tight the bookie is with overround. Again I will get a plug in for my favourite bookie pinnacle who does 1.97/1.97 style asians for the world cup and I think they do 1.98/1.98 style asians for the premiership.

There's also another scenario where you have the three results.
You wish to lay the home team and hence the home win. But would you be better off backing the draw and the away win rather than laying the home team ?

OK beefcake united are price at 2.20 and available to lay at 2.35
The draw is 4.20, the away win is 3.00
Ok so you can lay £100 at 2.35 or you can split your £100 between backing the draw and the away win. Which is better ?
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OK beefcake united are price at 2.20 and available to lay at 2.35
The draw is 4.20, the away win is 3.00
Ok so you can lay £100 at 2.35 or you can split your £100 between backing the draw and the away win. Which is better ?
Can I phone a friend?

Thanks for the explanation anyway (and CJ too), I get the general idea now. To be honest it's something that doesn't really affect me anyway as I don't use Betfair or any of those where laying is an option, I was just wondering really.

I do always check out all the different options on the A/h in football though, as you can often get better odds for team A -0.5 than you can for team A in the normal 1X2 market.

Anyway, this thread's going to get off-topic (well, it's already got off-topic), so I'll stop there.

I see Nadal is struggling badly against Kendrick. Watched the last few games of the first set and thought Kendrick looked very impressive.
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Thnx guys!
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Over in the US, "lay" means to back a favorite
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Whos this Kendrick hes playing well sweet against Nadal here. Serve volleying as well
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think nadal will prevail here - sittin at 8/11 il have a few quid on that
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bjorkman doing his best to ruin me!

2-0 up and cruising... now 2-1 and 2 breaks down in the 4th...
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Let's hope he will come back in the final set!
I'm on him too and at first I thought it would be an easy win!
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here he goes, 2 breaks up in the 5th, serving for the match

bad thing, accumulated him with a couple of favourites, 1 being venus williams, currently 1-0 down....
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bjorkman blows 4 match points......................
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